McCain “cuts and runs” from debates

barack obama was on the comitee that was in favor of this internet thought crimes bill, as far as i know it hasn't passed into law. but this is a law which would make for a good bedfellow in every police state that has ever existed. http://www.betterbadnews.com/2007/12/27/internet-thought-crime-commission-is-in-obamas-hands/

 

I did not say he was anti-war. I believe I get the impression from Obama that he wants to try other avenues again.

I'm going to vote knowing full well that my state will go for Obama... It take me 5 minutes of my time to drive down to the municipal building and vote. I see marked differences in the Bush white house years and the Clinton white house years, so no, I do not see a pattern.

What your saying is not simple in any way. To make any change at all, anywhere requires more effort and more contribution. What will not voting do? What will not being involved do?

If there is a vast conspiracy behind the 2000 elections and "the people who run shit don't want them in" why are you one of the few that know about it and why haven't you organized others to stop it? Why do you think the answer is to be more complacent?

 

so diebold owning all of those voting machines while giving massive contributions to the republican party doesn't make you even slightly suspicious? not only that, but the deciding state being one that his brother was governor of at the time. none of this seems abnormal to you? clinton and bush are hardly enemies, they play golf together for crying out loud.

 

Occam's razor

All those things could be explained more easily than a giant conspiracy.
Diebold, or any other company that would have the ability to make a standard set of voting machines to be used across the entire country would be for a pro-big-business-less regulations republican party.
Florida is often a swing state. And each year different states sometimes swing different ways.
Sometimes people can like people without having the same ideals. I've seen videos of Dubya when he was younger, and he would be fun to go out drinking and shooting beer cans with him, and laughingly mocking him for saying stupid things, I just don't want him to lead my country.

Republicans are not evil, diebold employees are not evil... there may be people within those groups (and there obviously are) that are people who may want to do illegal things... but I don't see it as a vast governmental conspiracy... and if it were... then our course of action should not be to ignore it but to become so involved that they can't ignore it. Third parties don't win elections because people with money don't back them. Politicians have to raise money to buy TV time and have campaigns in battleground states and so they make promises to individuals or groups to get that money to win... Write letters! Lobby your own groups... fight the system from inside the system. Because sitting at home and not voting is what all those rich fuckers want you to do.

Everyone has a right to say what they want in this country... if you want to influence others, you need to talk louder.

 

Third parties don't win elections because most people don't buy what they are selling. The only change most Americans want is to get rich. They are not dissatisfied with basic institutions.

If you talk louder you will be told to shut up, unless you are telling people what they want to hear. It may be the case that what they want to hear is not true. That is how Rush Limbaugh gets away with his lies.

One does not get places in politics by changing people's minds. One gets places by articulating and channeling sentiments that already exist.