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Saturated fat raises your cholestorol, and cholestorol blocks your arteries (high cholestorol is often the reason for heart attacks). There, now you know where he got the idea from.

 

yeah, i'm sure you could - people biting the testicles off each other & letting them bleed to death within minutes. but that wasn't my point, you said pigs don't bite and you were wrong. when i'm wrong, i will concede a point. can you? i thought you were arguing/debating to actually learn something, not just verify your own ideas and dismiss all others as bullshit. is that the point of your posts, to just have us all agree with you? or are you dialoging to learn something new, just maybe?

speak for yourself, bub - i don't eat my own litter if the food's late one day. YES, i know there are reports of cannabalism, but pigs eat their young ALL THE TIME.

I'm not labeling them as "out for my blood" - just pointing out the fact that pigs do bite, which you were telling me that they don't bite. AND these are not isolated incidents. pig attacks are common. if i were to post all the pig attack stories that were able to be found on the internet alone, i'd certainly need my own web site. and then there are all the incidents that are NOT on the internet, non-lethal bites, pigs killing in history, etc.

please feel free to achieve accuracy by providing me with some proof, and "whole truth" of the actual scope of violent behavior in pigs. i did a quick google search and came up with 2 hits on the first page, i did not have to dig for these articles.

you observe pigs, huh? in what way? looked over the fence while somebody else fed them? went to a petting zoo? and different kinds of pigs have different temperments, some are bred to be more placid than others.

i was raised on a farm, in farm country. my mom wouldn't let pigs on our farm - they stink and they bite. we kept our pigs on the neighbor's farm, he had a sty full. when i asked her about pigs biting last night, she told me on a farm where the pigs roam free you can't leave your baby on the porch or the pigs will eat them.

i don't advocate ABUSING pigs - the meat gets all gamey if they are stressed anyways.

maybe you should read some history dude. the holocaust is not something to be taken lightly or compared to barbequed ribs.

 

and another point! I AM ALSO MEAT. i do not look at grizzly bears, wolverines, gators, lions or pigs as nazis. they are part of nature, and would all gladly take a bite out of me - especially since i'm so unstressed and non-gamey tasting. but really, we are part of nature. how do you feel about animals eating you? do you attribute this to animals being abusive to humans, or just survival on the animal's part? if they are as sentient as you propose, then they should KNOW they are hurting people when they rip their testicles off.

i think they do know, and don't care if they hurt us or whatever game they are eating.

soy products make you fart.

 

OK, I've said this about a million times on this topic: YES, It's natural for humans to be omnivorous, and we (or atleast I)don't have anything against that,however, a lion,gators etc... catch the food THEMSELVES , while we depend on slaughterhouses.
If slaughterhouses wouldn't exist, there probably woudn't be any veg*ns.
If you think about it, it is holocoust. The animals are tortured all their lives, then, when they're all big and fat, their stuffed into crowded vehicles,so stuffed, they can't move. This makes the animals go crazy, therefore they run
over each other.Some animals are killed before even entering the slaughterhouses.To prevent this, chickens, for instance, get their claws and beaks stripped off, mostly WITHOUT pain killers ( since that'd cost extra money.). Pigs get their tails ripped off ( so that they won't get stepped on).
And when they arive at the slaughterhouse, they get zapped by electricity (so they don't move), and get killed one by one.

If you like meat, fine, buy it by the butcher(who butchers them himself), or hunt/raise them yourself. Unless you're a selfish bastard who cares about no one but himself, and won't care about the way animals are tortured , because, hey! It's not you getting tortured and killed. >.>

 

Damn you veg*ns (did I use that right) are crazy...

Do you go out and pick your food yourself???????

 

Guess what? You used it right!^^

Yes, we do, sometimes. But that's another story, you obviously didn't bother reading the first half of the post...otherwise you'd know why I put that quoted part.

 

you're right I didn't ....

I just think that people should just mind their own personal business and not harp on other people cause of there beliefs or they way they live.

You all get on peoples asses like you were freaking nazis or a lynch mob...

 

I'm not trying to force you, I'm just trying to make you aware of WHY we are Veg*ns, and make you aware of the animals(whom selfish people don't care about because it's not them getting tortured.) that are getting 'holocousted'
(STOP RIGHT THERE! BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY STUPID COMMENTS,LIKE 'HOW IS THAT HOLOCOUST(Sp!)?", LOOK AT MY LAST POST!).

 

Whats with that comment there about being selfish. How can you call me selfish cause I eat meat? Do you know me?
You vegans are very VERY hypocritical, and make petty arguments..

 

Oh, and I forgot to add one thing here...

You say that we are selfish cause we dont care about animals and such being tortured..
Okay, let me ask you this, do you think animals care about us? Do you think that they all sit around and talk about how much they care about us, and how some shouldnt bite us or run us down, and such... Do you think they think, I could kill you now, but that would be selfish...

 

The animals are neutral about us ( besides our pets ), because they don't know us, and they don't really torture us either.They see us as other animals.

 

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Hold on, I have to wait to stop laughing to reply...
Do you talk to the animals, can you read their minds..
You might want to take a step back into reality there dear...

Can I bring you too the zoo with me and you can tell me what the animals are thinking and saying...

 

I kind of see it that way, also.

 

No, people like you shit all over the holocaust. Are you actually comparing animal suffering to human suffering?

 

Just who in the hell do you think you are? This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand, you present nothing but an ad hominem attack, a FALLACY.

HA! And you are the one to show me the truth? How conceited you must be! An existentialist perhaps.....Ideologue.....right next to idiocy no?

The fact that livestock - such as cattle (we’ll use that example) - graze on plants such as fescue and the like is entirely relevant! Livestock are fed mainly forage, animals owned for breeding purposes are fed alllllll year long see, where animals fed to get fat are only fed for 90 days or so on a good program.

Corn is the main grain fed to livestock. Other grains including sorghum, oats, wheat and barley are used little in feeding the bulk of livestock. But consider what grains humans (no matter what their diet) consume, soybeans, tobacco, cotton, rice, corn and wheat (no small amounts mind you).



Half the corn we produce doesn’t even go to feeding livestock.....vegans kill more plants (and animals) than those who are truly natural, omnivores.

That is retarded, I’ve already told you, you DO leave piles of "victims" in your wake whether you choose to believe it or not. Least harm my ass. Ever been in a combine Ideologue? I mean, I’m sure you have, because you have such extensive knowledge on the subject. Ever see a rabbit get it’s legs chopped off as soon as it hits those first tines? Helplessly, it’s taken up the conveyor, there is nothing it can do but watch it’s death take place. Churned up in the front and spit out the back....what a terrible way to die!!!! You wanna talk about least harm, about morality, why don’t you shoot the poor bastard in the head?! Should I go on? How about the atrocities of the disc and other farm implements? Ever ridden on a combine Ideologue? Truth is animals die horrific deaths in the fields, and the vultures feast afterwards. I’m sure you know that though....and have seen it.

 

More plants are grown for humans in general than livestock. 'less you do your cotton pickin yourself.

Many, many animals killed for human consumption are fed grass alone, do you know nothing of agriculture? What do you think that they're turning a prime grade beef into hamburger? That sounds ludicrous because it is ludicrous. The majority of people eat ground beef because it's cheaper and more versatile than any other cut, ground beef by and large is made of "cutters", old brood cows and bulls. Brood cows and bulls eat grass. Let us not forget here, that vegans aren't the only one's to eat grains and vegetables, that statement above seems to reason a comparison of only vegans.

Let's not forget the 6 or 8 billion other people in the world, that would be a little selfish don't you think?

Many many fields I'm sure Ideologue.....give me a break.....you probably wouldn't know a damn rabbit from the hole in which it resides. I've personally witnessed it more times than I care to remember, and it happens A LOT. Hell half of them you can't even see I'm sure. Here ya go.........

lol you've got it all figured out don't you. Did you know if you cut a fishes head off it will still react to stimulus up to an hour later? Probably because the majority of their nervous system is in their back. Fish feel pain...dubious at best. hahahaha so the fish are screaming huh.....that's a new development.

You never answered me about insects dying in the fields by the trillions upon trillions.....poor little grasshoppers........but no, you cause the least harm right....

ROFLMAO!!!! You've really got me going now....you've got it all figured out don't you.....now all we have to do is get somebody to pay for all that horseshit (communism isn't the answer), and then we'll probably have to let most of the world starve to death (communism is the answer).

The true agenda of the Animal Rights movement, for them to have more rights than us, you are one sick son of a bitch.

See above (laughter). Right let us replace human rights with the "right of persons", so that infants and retarded people are actually considered "non-humans", while chimpanzees and gorillas are lifted up to "person" status. That is sick. That is Singer's truth.



In closing, (and I don't usually do this but I don't like you) I'd like to say that you are fucking dumbass.....and a jerk, and if you ever get a chance, I have some shit for you to eat (as in eat shit).

 

I think it is better to strive for utopia than settle for hell.

 

I don't get on anyone's ass.

 

My "argument" is neither hypocritical nor petty.

 

I don't think it matters .