Meditation is erotic

We see things in an alarmingly similar way.

 

I have no problem with non-traditional approaches, but I do have a problem with the surprisingly large number of non-traditionalists who feel the need to bash traditional practices. Some of these people are as fanatic about being non-traditional as Jehovah's Witnesses.

Do what works for you, don't put others down.

 

Sorry if I misunderstood you, but...

... to me, that sounds a lot like thinking I'm perfect.Suppression is always a horrible thing and no tradition I know of recommends it.Sublimation on the other hand is an essential process. Not something you do, but it happens spontaneously. To say don't sublimate is to hold back. Isn't that change a part of what you need to accept?

 

I have not seen any bashing- properly speaking- in this thread. Granted, I have my prejudices against tradition in general (any tradition) but I'm fully aware they are prejudices and I'm all for whatever works for you.

The word sublimation to me implies repression. I see your definition is different, and if sublimation is spontaneous (or, half-spontaneous) change - then we share the same experience.

 

Ok I understand now what you mean about sublimation. It's funny how sometimes the words we use manage to get in the way of understanding.

I dislike the word ''perfection''... I think the concept is impossible to apply, at least to humans.

I didn't want to bash anybody. I just wanted to go in an approach that I felt was somewhat unknow of most people I know. Maybe I got so exited about this (wich is very new to me) that I forgot that other people had find other valuable ways.

Peace

 

I can read your mind and educationaly use it's content! Haha!:reddevil:

 

Turn me on, you red devil!

 

I agree that its so easy to get lost in words. And I'm sorry if I came on strong, I didn't mean you in particular in reference to tradition bashing. It's a sensitive point with me as sometimes even renowned teachers tend to do it.
It's just another subtle form of my way is right/better and yours is wrong/lesser. Somehow that seems to creep in at times, even with great masters of deep wisdom and enlightenment. I think it is, as in your case, simply enthusiasm for your path more than anything else. But still, something to guard against, particularly in this day and age.

 

Of course. From the body level, or the interpersonal level, nobody, not even the Buddha or Krishna or Christ was perfect. The body and the mind by their very nature are flawed, it is their dharma. It would actually be against nature and wrong for them to be perfect.
Perfection, however, is always present in us at a much deeper level than the body and the mind. Perfection is always available in our deepest core, in our true self, our Buddha nature, the Kingdom of Heaven in our hearts. That is perfect peace, perfect love, perfect contentment, perfect joy.
That kind of perfection.

Sorry if I went off topic.

 

Unlike those of us afflicted with excessive sanity, I happen to think one of the best places for meditation is a good erotic dance club. Inevitably, the music is too loud, the lights too flashy, the booze too expensive, and the girls too gorgeous. Yet, surprisingly, all those “distractions” seem to improve my ability to meditate.Of course, there are different kinds of meditation. The kind I practice amounts to little more than dispassionate observation. I don’t attempt to direct my thoughts and feelings into any mold or channel, as is done in some kinds of meditation. Instead, I just relax and watch what’s going on moment by moment with my thoughts and feelings. There might be much better forms of meditation, but that one seems to best suit my temperament.I wish I could claim I was foresighted enough to have sat down one day, pondered the matter of where to meditate as if it were a tough math puzzle, and then victoriously exclaimed, “I’ve got it! An erotic dance club!”. That might have shown some genius. But that’s not how it happened.Orexis

 

We are not our actions.
Our actions are not us.

 

No, but we are responsible for them.

 

I would have to agree with Bhaskar on this one.
Even though the Higher Self is more than our actions,
in karmic consciousness there is definitely a need for responsibility.
This includes acting in good-will towards others.

And as far as the meditation thing goes. No matter what you may say,
may have read, or believe. There is an actual sublimating process that
the word 'meditation' addresses.
That process is known in Yoga Tantra as dhyana.
This process is the flowing of consciousness energy, or Prana, back into the source of that very energy, Bindu.
Dhyana is initiated by one-pointed concentration, dharana.
This is not only according to Yogic tradition, but more importantly a pragmatic fact that can be experienced by any human. This process leads to higher and higher states of divine experience, Samadhi.

The point being that meditation, whether one believes it or not, references a specific thing. This is a point that should be clearly understood by anyone sincerely wanting to learn more about it, and actually practice.

Namaste

 

What we really are is an ULTRA complex interaction of natural elements and energy. We ARE a relashionship. There is no unity or stability in our identity.

So in a way, we ARE our actions, AND our intentions, AND our potential, AND our memories, AND our thoughts, AND our emotions, AND our culture, our body, food, temperature, muscle, bone, sex, hair and a colossal amount of other things.

 

I have another point of view.

If there is one I think we should learn from buddhism, it is that quote from Buddha : « Do not beleive what I say. Go find out for yourself. »

I found out for myself. I experience happiness thanks to meditation, thanks to the choice I made to find out what the word ''meditation'' should mean to me. I did not find thruth in a book or in the mouth of some master.

Are you aware of langage's incapacity to refer to one actual specific universal thruth? Meditation means something to you. Cultivate it, explore it, perhaps change your definition if you find it needs change. That is what I'll do, and we certainly won't have the same results.

 

I get meditoners. Meditation+boners. Its awesome.

 

It isn't about repression, it's about transcendence.

 

Haha me too!

 

I disagree.

 

Why?