microwave ovens

Ive stopped eating food from the microwave, ive read that it kills the nutrients in the food too. Dr. Weil in his dvd "Eating well for optimal health" suggests not using them for long term cooking as it changes the protein composition of the food. I made a bunch of stir fry the other week and microwaved some left overs and I noticed when I went to lift weights I didnt have any real energy I felt like I had a lump in my stomach. Then I just ate some cold and felt much better. I dont know im no scientist but Im never using a microwave again.

 

GENITICALLY-MODIFIED (GM) foods are probably worse to eat than microwaved foods, especially when you combine fish genes into tomatoes, or any other genes, for desired effects. Rats love to eat tomatoes, but will totally avoid GM tomatoes. In some experiments, GM food caused animal and people to become ill, or die, but I'm not going to discuss GM foods, but point out that they are obviously moleculary different from their natural versions. But is microwaved food and/or water changed moleculary, somehow? And do these changes effect our health, in a negative way?

I was going to post and discuss the following articles, but Pressed Rat posted similar ones, first:

ARTICLE: Radiation Ovens - The Proven Dangers of Microwaves, By Anthony Wayne and Lawrence Newell, 6-14-00 (Updated 4-4-00)
LINK: www.rense.com/general2/dangers.htm
ARTICLE: Effects Of Microwaves On Foods and Consumers, 2-17-99
LINK: www.rense.com/health/microwaves.htm
ARTICLE: Microwaved Water - See What It Does To Plants, 4-13-6
LINK: www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htm

The "Microwaved Water" article (mentioned above) is obviously somewhat flawed with scientific "controls" and "procedures". It should be redone, properly.

EllisDTripp, in his post on this thread, mentions: "Also missing is any kind of chemical anaylsis of the water and soil used on the 2 plants. Rat seems to be claiming some kind of "molecular change" took place in the microwaved water. If that was true, then the "changed" molecules WOULDN'T BE WATER ANYMORE, and should show up clearly by chemical analysis."

Microwaves effects on food and water may be with "field effects" and "bond angle changes". Magnetism has been known to change the properties of water. South pole-magnetically treated water has slightly different properties than north pole-magnetically treated water. A patent has been issued for this discovery, but I can't remember the specific one. It was an article in an old NEXUS magazine. Also consider the following post/article:

LINK: http://amasci.com/freenrg/phslmag.txt

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996, From: Mark Sylvester, Reply-To: phys-1@atlantis.cc.uwf.edu
Subject: magnetising water?

"Next he presented me with his reference. This is a "normal looking" science book in terms of density of text, diagrams and formulas. I am unable to evaluate it beyond this because it is in Russian. The title translates roughly as "Magnetising of Water Systems" and the author is V. I. Klassen. Publisher is Moscow "Chemistry" 1982. The student is unable to explain very clearly what he understands from this book, but says the effect has something to do with the bond angle in the water changing. I am mystified and skeptical."

"Conductivity of the samples was measured with an instrument borrowed from the chemistry lab. This showed a clearly distinguishable decrease of 30% on "magnetism".
Mark Sylvester
United World College of the Adriatic, Duino, Trieste, Italy.

If conventional magnetism can effect the water molecule, than microwaves may be able to, also.

ARTICLE: Chemistry, Magnets, & Skepticism (Weird Science)
LINK: www.amasci.com/freenrg/magh2o.html

"And the continuing controversy about a possible link between EMFs and Cancer is in part due to widespread scientific skepticism regarding the ability of DC and low-frequency magnetic fields to affect a chemical bond."
"However, the scoffers are wrong. Research increasingly reports evidence that EMF and permanenet magnets DO have significant effects upon chemical reactions, especially on sensitive biochemistry."

On this link, there is other links to "unexplained effects of magnetism on water" and "Water Physics". No links to "unexplained effects of microwaves on water", though.

The above mentioned article, entitled: "Radiation Ovens - The Proven Dangers of Microwaves", mentions the following:

"Every microwave oven contains a magnetron, a tube in which electrons are affected by magnetic and electric fields in such a way as to produce micro wavelength radiation at about 2450 Mega Hertz (MHz) or 2.45 Giga Hertz (GHz). This microwave radiation interacts with the molecules in food. All wave energy changes polarity from positive to negative with each cycle of the wave. In microwaves, these polarity changes happen millions of times every second. Food molecules -- especially the molecules of water -- have a positive and negative end in the same way a magnet has a north and south polarity."
"In commercial models, the oven has a power input of about 1000 watts of alternating current. As these microwaves generated from the megnetron bombard the food, they cause the polar molecules to rotate at the same frequency millions of times a second. All this agitation creates molecular friction, which heats up the food. The friction also causes substantial damage to the surrounding molecules, often tearing them apart or forcefully deforming them. The scientific name for this deformation is "structural isomerism".

"By comparison, microwaves from the sun are based on principles of pulsed direct current (DC) that don't create frictional heat; microwave ovens use alternating current (AC) creating frictional heat."

Many people talk about the negative effects of Alternating Current, as opposed to Direct Current. An incandescent bulb filament lasts alot longer time with DC, than AC. The constant "oscillations" of AC break down the molecular structure of the filament, causing material "fatiguing", than a catastrophic break. Is it the AC component of the generated microwaves that cause the main problems? DC microwaves do not create frictional heat and would not work as an oven energy to heat up food and/or water.

One of the first books that I bought and read about the health effects of EMF energies was a fine English publication:

ELECTROPOLLUTION, By Roger Coghill, Published by Thorsons Publishers Limited, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire NN8 2RQ, England, Copyrighted 1990, By Roger Coghill. Roger Coghill is the founder of Britain's first consultancy specializing in the monitoring and control of electropollution.

Speaking of Britain, here is another fascinating article about TETRA (Terrestrial Trunk Radio) and the ill health effects of microwave broadcast towers (not ovens):

ARTICLE: Confidential Report on TETRA Strictly for the Police Federation of England and Wales, By B TROWER
LINK: www.bariumblues.com/tetra_confidential_report.htm

"We being water based animals act like aerials to these waves. As the waves go into our bodies an electric current is generated inside our bodies which is how aerials work; waves come in and electricity is generated. The electricity generated in our bodies like all electric currents goes to ground through our bodies and like all currents it takes the path of least resistance. Unfortunately the path of least resistance through our bodies, although only representing 10% of our pathways, carries 90% of our traffic rather like the M1 motorway. The traffic in our bodies, namely hormones, antibodies, neurotransmitters know where to "get off" because there is a corresponding opposite charge at the site of delivery rather like the positive and negative ends of a battery. The problem is if you have an electric current passing through the body it can change this charge, either on the hormones, antibodies or neurotransmitters or the site of delivery."

"A very recent discovery shows that microwave radiation changes the permeability of the blood brain barrier. Our brain has its own immune system as does our body. The blood brain barrier keeps everything that is designed to be kept within the brain inside it and protects the brain from unwanted diseases or chemicals which could harm it. Similarly it allows out of the brain anything dangerous to the brain. The blood brain barrier is rather like a sieve where only particles of a certain size may go through."

"Also, it is shown that the electromagnetic radiation going into the body can change the size of the particles moving around the body (Reference 4). This is rather like an ice skater spinning on her skates. With her arms out she spins slowly, but if she pulls her arms in she spins faster. Microwaves can affect the particles in our body by changing their spin; hence their size. They can be made smaller or larger. With the changing of the permeability of the blood brain barrier and their changing in size particles unwanted particles may enter the brain or necessary particles may leave the brain."

ARTICLE: About TETRA
LINK: www.bariumblues.com/tetra_101.htm
ARTICLE: TETRA (Terrestrial Trunk Radio) and the health issue
LINK: www.satori-5.co.uk/word_articles/hrs/tetra.html

"But there may be a problem. Careful studies since the 1970s by scientists at reputable institutions such as those by Ross Adey's group at Loma Linda University, California, have found that modulated RF (i.e. radio waves carrying an ELF component), can seriously interfere with the way our cells communicate. These studies have been replicated many times at many laboratories, and it seems that the geomagnetic field is also an important component of the effect (the so-called ion cyclotron resonance ("ICR") studies, begun by Abe Liboff, a physics professor at Oakland University, Michigan)."

"At http://www.kirlian.co.uk.htm you can see pictures of energy fields of different kinds of food before and after various types of cooking. On the bottom of the page there are pictures of an apple showing how microwaves damage the energy field." (ARTICLE: Effects Of Microwaves On Foods And Consumers/ 2-17-99) Note: This article on KIRLIAN PHOTOGRAPHY seems to have been removed, or moved to another site.

Another interesting article on the harmful effects of microwaves on our body is:
The Health Implications of Playing With Big Brothers Most Cool Tool - Pt. 2, By Amy Worthington, The Idaho Observer, 6-9-6
LINK: www.rense.com/general71/repe.htm

"Both our polar caps are rapidly melting and our winters are growing more dangerously warm every year.(10) Our world is water based. Microwaves agitate and heat water molecules. The U.S. military has increased to 180 the number of HAARP microwave transmitters used to actually boil the ionsphere - the electrically charged layer just above the Earth's atmosphere.(11)"

Concerning mobile cellular phones:

ARTICLE: Need a Cooker? Use Your Cell Phone, By Sue Miller, 6-28-6
How Two Russian Journalists Cook An Egg With Their Mobile Phones - RawFamily.org (65 minutes on the cell phone fully cooks an egg!!!)
LINK: www.rense.com/general72/cellcook.htm

Like conspiracies about microwaves?
ARTICLE: Total Population Control
LINK: www.bariumblues.com/em_mind%20control.htm

Does RADAR (microwaves) effect hyper-space-time?

ARTICLE: TIME TRAVELER
LINK: www.cyberspaceorbit.com/mar.html

"EDITOR: Look at some of the keywords in below, i.e. the SAGE radar. Is this why we have been going bonkers looking at these goldanged radar images, something-implied, the crop-circles in the sky, the vortex, the electromagnetic time-warp. Why it's just lil' ol' radar, eh? Remember the Roswell UFOs by rumor were knocked down by radar -- or perhaps they appeared through radar-induced time-tunnels? SAGE and Montauk."

The SAGE RADAR is at old CAMP HERO/MONTAUK on Long Island, NY. It's still there! Secret time-travel experiments were supposedly conducted there, in an underground military fascility, i.e. PROJECT PHOENIX or MONTAUK. There was an operating radar in New Mexico, in 1947.

The PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT (PROJECT RAINBOW) came before PROJECT PHOENIX, as far as the government's alleged time travel experiments go.

ARTICLE: Philadelphia Experiment and Time, With Drue (Interview with by Joshua, 12/6/95)
LINK: www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project059.html?200626

"Joshua: Does the Roswell Crash have any connection to the Philadelphia Experiment, in your opinion?
Drue: No. It was not related to the Philadelphia Experiment, but it was other time related experiments that were being conducted underground near Roswell, New Mexico that caused the crashes. Electrical disturbances along the earth's planetary magnetic grid had caused quantum gates to open up and the ET traveling the corridor got caught up in these disturbances and materialized. The crash site was massive, and instead of the known one or two crashes, there were 16 in total and over 45 ET beings had come to their demise. My point is, that these electrical disturbances did not discriminate against just one type of ET, but affected all travelling through the corridor."

My point is, do microwaves effect hyper-space-time? Modified radar transmitters supposedly produce SCALER ELECTROMAGNETIC beams (LONGITUDAL WAVES or "TESLA" WAVES), which effect hyper-space-time. "fat tony" mentioned "new physics" explanations for the effects of microwaves on water, food and us. Hyper-dimensional physics? You must think in more than three-dimensions, and it ain't easy!!!

These were my conventional and unconventional explanations to the effects of microwaves on water, food and us. You could always wrap yourself up in aluminum foil and look like a big dork, even though it's not stupid to protect yourself from the harmful effects of given radiations.

Peace, love and explore the universe . . .

Cosmicdust

A wise man knows nothing, for if he knew it all, there would be nothing new to learn and nothing left to explore. A dead end. One's cosmic journey is eternal and infinite!

 

Well most of that was a little bizarre. Its a question of intensity certainly intenense microwaves from a magnetron could (infact would) probably do significant damage to the body any electrical signals created would be irrelevant. Whether such high frequency signals will be supported by the human body I dont know also whether they'd interefere with the far lower frequency signals being used by the body again no idea this is prolly more Ellis' field. But with mobile phones in particular I believe that the microwave flux from the sun is till greater than the phone.

In short I would not stick my head in a microwave oven (words to live by) but i dont think it will stop we using a phone but hey now ive said that it'll prolly turn out to be worse than smoking.

 

depends which side of the door you're on..

 

what will happen if the grid is off a microwave oven?

 

Well glass doesnt attenuate microwaves, or at lest not that strongly. A microwave is a very powerful microwave source. So essentially if you take the grid off you will get burnt, quickly.

 

true "but i remember reading an article once years ago about a microwave leakage that cooked some mans body organs whilst he stood in front of microwave waiting for his meal to cook " freaky shit man " could that really happen again ?

 

If you had a seriously leaky door seal, it might be possible. I would think that you would feel a burning sensation and get away before any serious damage was done, though.

High levels of microwave RF radiation can cause damage to the eyes (cataracts) and the testes (sterility). These hazards are well-known to people who work around radar transmitters or satellite uplink dishes.

 

That's fact. I have spent the last 23 years as a radar and microwave radio technician. I was worried about the safety parameters the navy had when I was a young technician and was working aloft on a ship. We would turn off all the radar and comm gear of the antennas we would climb by. An air search radar on a different mast a hundred feet or so away was deemed to be safe to have in operation. Every time this radar antenna would sweep by I could feel the fillings in my teeth arch. I looked in my mates mouth and could actually see the arch between a couple of fillings. ANyway after that two years of arching teeth and the next twenty years of being in the presence of microwaves transmitters I still see fine (OK fine I had to get reading glasses this year), and I have had no trouble conceiving childern, so I think the hazards are minimal.

 

I have heard that the sterility effect is only temporary, in that the RF heating kills any sperm that are currently stored in the body, but doesn't damage the testes themselves. An ex-USAF electronics instructor I once had told stories of airmen who would intentionally stand in front of a feedhorn for a while before going on a weekend leave to see their girlfriends or whatever.

 

No wonder the cat spontaneously combusted the other week, I thought that grid was dirt and I scrubbed it off the glass

 

i hope you are joking!

hm so that's why when i was little i got in trouble for having my face up against the door... oh what dark days.

stupid microwaves

 

I remember getting our first microwave, and the kids convinsing me you had to cook an egg first thing....holly crap the noice! The mess! But we did all fall in a heap laughing ...doing it again now, laughing that is, lol