Mild Trip Reports

Don't read them if they don't interest you?

I enjoy reading trip reports here. I enjoy reading superbly written tr's from experienced psychonauts with flowerly language and I also enjoy reading more matter of fact trip reports from novice trippers.

I personally have had some of my most memorable and valuable trips on moderate doses, Set and setting can't be stressed enough.

As far as your 2ct2 example if you have no experience with psychedelics or no experience with 2ct2 and lets say you read two trip reports, one at 20 mgs from a novice tripper and one at 50 mgs from a more experienced tripper, I don't think that gives you an accurate gauge at all for what you should dose based on your psychedelics experience. In terms of safety and overall enjoyability with a new compound I think it's really good to gather a sufficient amount of information before ingesting it.

 

I quite liked your view, it wasn't offensive.

 

I'm grateful for them all and the ones that I don't connect with I don't read. Pretty straightforward. It's a little like oral histories - like Spicey Cat said, unauthorized research.

One of the more interesting things I've learned is that lower doses of 2C-E give greater body loads than higher doses. I believe that.

 

Or at least greater perceived body load. Just like the DPT terror.

 

Isn't it largely about perception, opening the doors of, and all that?

 

i write trip reports so i can remember the experience, or even go read it a year later.

i wrote one about my first time with an RC, 12 mg 2ce. then put in on erowid.

 

People discuss drugs in length on drug forums, but experience reports have their own value. Say you have a chance in an hour to get some strange new RC psychedelic, you're not told anything about it but it's free so you're not worried about getting scammed - however, being a responsible drug user you want to make sure it is safe and that you know the correct dosage, the effects etc.

First you can search for a dosage range on say Erowid, that might be accurate or it might be a little low as the Erowid dose range often is. Now if you have a preferred level of effects, you go to the experience reports section, and read a few reports, noting the dosage each time, you'll probably notice "ah 20mg is where it seems to get visual" or "all these reports over 30mg seem to be unpleasant" etc, it takes you all of 10 minutes and you quickly have a basic knowledge of the dose ranges, the duration, come up time, visual and mental effects, whether users enjoyed it or not, and any concerns that they had about it after taking it.

The thing is user experience reports make up the majority of information about various drugs. If you rely on Wikipedia, Erowid, and similar sites' information alone, you can get a basic idea for the dosage, the class of drug, and it's route of action, but chances are you're left clueless as to what the actual trip/experience is like until you try it. If you read people's experiences, you get a personal account of the drug, and you can compare it to other accounts, find similarities, differences etc, to build an overall accurate picture of the experience.

 

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=80777

Read this today, this is a very good trip report.

 

Do you really think that's a good trip report? It's not even a trip report. It's more like a summary of life and drug experiences. There was no specific description of taking a specific dose of something and specific effects, other than an aside mentioning of taking an undisclosed amount and type of LSD. Saying he fell into a spiritual void and decided to quit is not a trip report. It's more like an abstract or summary. The lack of details disqualifies this one for my personal standards of unauthorized research.

i mean great that he used a big-pharma drug to get over an opiate addiction, and here he does mention doses, but that's a testimonial, not a TR.

Is that what you are saying you prefer?

 

i guess i shouldn't of put 'trip' but i honestly think it's a good report, i know a lot of people who get put on Buprenorphine and they should know it's just as bas as th rest. Though i heard Tramadol is an amazing Opoid withdrawal drug.

 

Like Spicey said, that's not really a trip report. It's content is actually pretty similar to one of the types of reports that you said you get bored by:

For someone like me, who has no interest in oxycodone, suboxone, buprenorphine, or any opioid withdrawal drug, that was a boring, ZzZzZz report. That doesn't make it bad, it just doesn't appeal to me.

Trip reports are similar to music or literature, they can be used for different purposes and people have different tastes. It's simple.

 

Wow, that is a pretty sorry "trip" report IMO. As Spicey said, it's not even a trip report, it's a testimonial of this guys opiate addiction.

Are you sure you are referring to the same thing as most in this forum when you say "trip report"?

There are quite a few good reports here. Ones that convey not only the drugs somatic effects nut also it's emotional, psychological and spiritual effects.
Honestly though, trip reports with psychedelics do fall into the realm of "if you haven't been there yourself, you aren't going to "get it"".

If you are having difficulty "getting it" with some of these reports, increase dose.

 

Personally i think that report is much more helpful/useful/interesting than someones 15mg 2cb trip.

i shouldn't of said trip report. if you like reading weak trip reports then fine, i just asked for peoples opinions simple as...!

 

Well I like writing in-depth trip reports when the experince is such that it affords insight or reason to share it with others. Plus I think I do a fair job of conveying the experience as well as written words can. So do many others here at HF.
The thing with psychedelics is that you can get profound effects and experiences from low doses. That is one of the things I have said here many times. You don't always need to blow the doors of perception of thier hinges to have an experience worthy of sharing with others.
But, then again I think that is an attitude and perception that seperates partiers and abusers from users and utilizers when it comes to psychedelics.

 

partying is hedonism, abusing is addiction and hedonism. i do not use psys for either, they are a personal growth tool IMO.

 

You seem to hold this erroneous idea that the growth accomplished via psychedelics is dose dependent. As pb smith just pointed out growth can be accomplished at all levels of intensity past the threshold.

 

i'm gonna have to put my two cents in with PB and GB. i have gotten PROFOUND effects from 65 mgs of MDMA, 150 mcgs of LSD and pre-breakthrough doses of DMT. A lot of psychological work gets done here, just speaking for myself . . .

But, you kinda have to open yourself up to it. IMHO, that involves (except maybe for MDMA) a tight control of setting, not a big social scene or festival. When i am in the big social scenes, i seem to get good effects, though generally not profound (sometimes LOL). It's like there's a kind of "performance anxiety" or something. Like i feel i cannot fully let go and explore the space, i have to remain social and connected . . .

Now, as to whether or not good TR's report from lower dosing, again i kind of think that depends on the person doing the dosing and writing . . . PB_Smith wouldn't fail us on this front, i am convinced. . . .

 

Ya, personally, that was the point of my post. There's no problem with having reports you prefer to read, it's just strange making a thread on a forum you are new to, the topic of which is the fact you think the reports here are boring and pointless.

Ya, you should probably start saying what you actually mean then. If that's not a trip report, don't offer it up as an example of a good trip report haha. And the whole "if you like reading weak trip reports blah blah blah" is lame and a poor attempt at trolling. No more posts for this dumb thread.

 

trolling? come on.... you crazy amigo.


and yes i know you don't need high doses to have a really good psychedelic experience, they're just tools they aren't the answer.

and me putting 'trip' was i mistake, damn man i bet all your posts are perfect and you never make a mistake. chill man don't have to dig into me ffs just cos u clearly write these reports yourself, not everyone is gonna enjoy them.

 

like i said from the start i never meant to annoy anyone but mr neuro obviously has a problem with me.