Milwaukee Rioting

Not everyone....

 

Don't count me in that "everyone".

 

I'm afraid I have to agree (seriously though!)

And it might be a subconscious thought relating to this that inspired PR's comment on those pics.

 

I remember seeing an old American film featuring the sixties, where a black man found dancing in a night club , was taken off by cops and later found dead. So you can see that the confrontation of blacks with the police has a long history which has been captured by cinema as well.

Presently, the number of blacks in uniform is indeed disproportionate to their presence in the population. This obviously will lead to fears that the police establishment is racist and inevitably leads to a confrontational attitude. Also the police has a poor history of dealing with blacks as well, which further compounds the issue. By bringing on more black police officers , the black community could feel an increased sense of participation in the implementation of justice, law and order along with corresponding responsibility and sense of duty. It will also allay their fears that the policing institution is a racist one and is actually accountable.

 

But that is exactly what these troubled black communities are demanding. They want the white cops gone. Unfortunately the message has become distorted into a kind of "get rid of all the cops" concept that isn't likely to work in any community any time soon.

Also, the term "racist" gets thrown around like candy these days. We should dial back and recall that the issues aren't always so binary. There's prejudice and bigotry to be considered as well as simple narrow-mindedness and the innocence of the ignorant (some people actually don't know what words might offend you, go figure). Going straight for the throat by casually labeling something as "racist" off the cuff destroys any potential for correcting something that might not even be an intended slight. All is does is build Trump walls into the conversation. And just look who's building all those walls.

Milwaukee was one of those "any excuse to raise hell and settle scores" kind of events. An ad hoc version of The Purge I guess. Nobody rioting gave a crap about the guy who was killed. Even his sister is using his death to try to advance a misguided agenda of hate and destruction. Also, targeting people to be dragged from their cars and beaten because of their skin color, that really is racism.

 

So it is just the gun, not his pose or himself

 

In this case, the gun Sylville Smith was in possession of, and used to get himself killed, was stolen in March.

I don't know which gun he used when he was arrested for shooting someone last year.

[background=#fafafa]The man shot and killed by a Milwaukee police officer Saturday was charged last year in a shooting and then charged with trying to intimidate a witness in that shooting.[/background]

Did he commit these other crimes because he was afraid of whites?

[background=#fafafa]Smith had been in trouble with the law dating back at least to 2011, according to arrest records released by the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office late Sunday. He was arrested or ticketed nine times in that period — for the shooting, a robbery, carrying a concealed weapon, theft, possession of heroin and more. His most recent arrest was July 22 for possession of cocaine, records show.[/background]


Why make excuses for him, saying he had a "fear of whites"?

His father made the excuse for him that he had been a bad example for him.

No adult needs anyone making excuses for their actions. We are all free to choose our behaviors.



http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/08/14/man-shot-milwaukee-police-subject-witness-intimidation-case/88721094/

 

Around here it's fear of coyotes and the potential for rabid racoons (a terrifying animal with hands). Most of the time I use an unloaded CO2 pistol which scares the crap out of anything on 4 legs. I've never fired a bullet anywhere near our home or any houses for that matter. The only loaded gun we have is inside a metal box with a glass window and is armed with 2 rounds of rat shot and 2 slugs in case whatever critter it is that got by the doors, dogs and fences is bigger and badder than me. If it gets by that, I'm fooked since it takes at least 30 seconds to unzip the shotgun case, remove the gun, load it and bring it to bear.

I know enough about guns to operate them fairly well and somewhat accurately. But I can't quote brands and give benefits of one over another. Half the crap I see hanging from rifles these days I can't identify unless a little red light comes out. I don't know how to properly align a scope, so I have to rely on fixed sights. I'm just not a gun nut. I embarrass myself around real gun nuts. But I only ever see one when I go for a suit in the closet (last Christmas I think). It's just not a major factor in my lifestyle and I know and have met a lot of people like that.

It's just a tool for the worst!

 

I agree with you that we can't make excuses for adults because they make their own choices
But at the same time, it doesn't really do anyone any favors to ignore the complex historical, racial, familial, economic factors that play into one's trajectory into criminal life.

How can we stop the cycle of violence, crime, poverty, and racial inequality without examining the fact that a middle class or wealthy child has more opportunities to grow into an adult who makes healthy choices than a child growing up in poverty, and a poor black child even less opportunity than a poor white child?

 

I know a man who grew up in Perry Homes in Atlanta. He never used that as an excuse for anything. If anything he used it as a catalyst to make decisions that would end that cycle in his family.

He's not an exceptional person. He's not a lucky person. He's a person who decided to do all that he could to make his life better.

He chose to not participate in behaviors that wouldn't help him live the life he wanted.


There are tons of success stories from bleak beginnings.

Ask those people what choices they made along the way.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX51VkEn24M

safe link: David Clarke Jr Good man.

 

But again, statistically a person in poverty, and a minority even more so, is more likely to grow up and continue into a life of poverty and crime.

Should we accept and dismiss this because there are exceptions? Or should we examine it in hopes of one day making positive change?

 

They may continue in a life of poverty that is not of their own making; inescapable, if you will.

They make a conscious decision to become criminal.

I did say I think it should be examined. I said that the success stories should be asked about the choices they made along the way.

 

Hasn't it been examined?

 

Yes and dismissed by many.

Success stories are important, equally as important as stories of failure I would say. This is a nuanced issue.

 

I'm going to have to call you on this.

It is widely discussed and understood that The thug/gangsta/hip hop culture grew out of anger and a disregard for law, not fear of whites.

https://www.paleycenter.org/the-emergence-of-hip-hop/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangsta_rap

https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297c/poverty_prejudice/mediarace/socialsignificance.htm

http://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1059&context=lawreview

Etc...

 

The provocateurs, BLM, are acting as heroes for the community. They are duping people.

A 16 year old girl was shot in crossfire the first night of rioting.

An 18 year old boy was shot the second night. Police had to use an armored vehicle to get him out.


People, please wise up. These provocateurs are doing you more harm than good.



At the 35-second mark, a rioter can be heard yelling to the officers,

"We do not want justice or peace anymore. We done with that shit. We want blood. We want blood. We want the same shit ya'll want. Eye for an eye. No more peace. F--k all that. Ain't no more peace. Ain't no more peace. We done. We cannot co-habitate with white people, one of us have to go, black or white. All ya'll have to go!" http://www.dailywire.com/news/8393/more-incredible-footage-milwaukee-riots-emerges-james-barrett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76DpmOAYVBM

 

But.. but.. but.. CNN told me that Black Lives Matter is a peaceful protest movement

 

How so does the poor black child have less opportunities than the poor white child?

I don't see too many poor white students with average grades getting college scholarships.

 

Outstanding citizens rigt here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmZ9F2A60Mw