Does he ever argue any of his cases? I have a strange feeling he would answer you this way. "No, I think the **** is a murdering twat." But we shall see if he ever ventures to this thread ever again.
The cop was unlucky. He happened to pick a guy who was on the verge of having a heart attack to bully on this day. Whether or not you can say he murdered him, or it was manslaughter, the guy is still evidently a complete ****. What do you expect, he works for the met.
Yes, let's hope he comes back to defend his throwaway comment. That is immensely important to all of us and to the inquiry and to any future prosecution...
Yes, the official verdict is that he died of internal bleeding. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/18/cause-death-ian-tomlinson http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...Injury_After_Being_Pushed_To_Ground_By_Police
Fair enough. But if you attack someone, you have to at least be aware that there is a possibility the person could die from the injuries. A policeman of all people should know that.
I think it unfair to assume just by the style and tone it was a throw away comment. But, It isn't immenslely important I agree.
What do you mean? If it wasn't an accident. Then doesn't that imply intent. So you are saying it was murder?
I mean, he wouldn't have died if the cop hadn't shoved him, probably. If I take a crow bar and wrap it round someones head, there is a fair chance I could kill that person. Of course it is a greater chance than if I push someone. So where do you draw the line between attempted murder and manslauighter?
Something else would have probably triggered his downfall. It deffinitly wasn't attempted murder. Clearly the officer crossed a line. But, he didn't know the person had a heart condition. Neither did he know his actions may have led to his death. Push 95% of people like that, they get up and go home. Perhaps: Criminally negligent manslaughter. I don't know though. I think he should get the least charge possible. Clearly the guy didn't know the chap would die.
I don't give a fuck that the policeman didn't know he had a condition. It is not an excuse. You don't go round pushing people for no reason.
I've seen the film of it. The cop just launches into the guy totally unprovoked, the guy wasn't even facing in his direction.
You don't get the whole picture. Absolutely not. You get a version the Gaurdian wants... To be fair...It could be the whole truth...but I doubt it. You may notice he is the only one near them...why is that? Why is he walking in a shuffling manner almost in an obstinate fashion? The officers action was an extreme reaction to get the slow bugger to move the hell along...I accept that. He lost his cool, which was un-professional. But in no way was in designed to cause death.
I've not even read what the guardian says, I am just judging the whole thing from what I saw. I don't give a fuck what the guy did, or what he said, if anything. If he'd called the policeman a nazi, for example, he should have arrested him, not attacked him.
I'm glad you are judging this on what you see...even if it is not the whole picture (that goes for me too). I agree he should have been arrested... But now some poor soul has to decide what to do after a moment of madness. Rather them than me.
