My brand of Socialism

I think if any of you people are seriously talking about how socialism and all that can work, I hope you're just wasting time and trying to act serious, because all these debates lead nowhere, nothing is certain, nothing is perfect, as far as getting rid of taxes and money, only idiots with an I.Q. below 100 can actually think that, math is one of my worse subjects, my bussiness sense is also limited, but the basics, the fundementals of society are based on money and taxes, even in Communism you had taxes ( they were taken from your paycheque before you got it ).

Communism doesn't work and only partial Socialism works ( You don't want to go overboard and become New Zealand now do you )

However, that's just my single opinion and that is why I greatly support Agnosticism. Everyone can think what he/she wants, but it ends there.

 

Check out my plan:

Let us IMPLEMENT Direct Democracy side to side with SOCIALism, that's the key! That was never tried before.

 

The rich control everything because they give everyone else two choices : 1) work for me, and make me rich or 2) starve.

People wouldn't have to decide to overthrow the government. They would just walk out on their jobs. The government, and their employers, would scramble to do whatever it was that they wanted in order to get them back. That's a great time to demand that the company you work for stops capitalising on your labor.

Bill Gates is a capitalist. Sure, he got to a point where he could afford employees. But he made millions off of their labor, and they didn't. It's understandable that he would make more, but not that much more. The division of profit is insane.

 

Yes, I'll telling you. Direct Democracy and Social side by side ... side by side.
Hell .. I just gave everyone the DD manifesto, that's the groundwork right there.

 

I consider myself a Socialist because that system of government is based on morals and made for the benefit of the poor.I disagree with the prison labor system because I disagree on involuntary servitude.

 

If everyones basic needs were met, we would not have to put a name to the system under which we lived, in fact we would not have to live under a "system" at all. We could just live!

 

Futhermore, I'm opposed to ideology of any sort. It just bores me and it is never understandable to me. The only two books I can remember reading about facism and communism were Mein Kumph and the Communist Mnifesto. I don't remember seeing anything so good or so bad about either of them, I just plain could not understand them.

One thing you said, Crud, that I strongly disagree with is that the notion of forced labor has, should I say, some kind of redeeming value. I don't think anything that is forced upon you has any sort of redeeming value, especially not forced labor.

 

No. That's simply the lie of socialism.

 

I think you're a beer short of a six-pack there, buddy.

If people have the freedom to vote for whatever policies they want - re: direct democracy - how can you arbitrarily dictate so many laws? You can give the power to the people, or you can design a society, but you can't have it both ways.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't socialism make the practical an ideal. It's not socialism that is impractical, it's democracy. "Give me liberty or give me death" bullsh@t, give me life over everything!

 

moving to the good old USA, that is the way it is over here NOW ! The Southernhermit and Catfish the ugly little dog

 

God I hope you youngsters have it figured out by the time you are in charge, but then those of you that may be making any money will have sold out to the neo-con viewpoints. The idealists will be so busy trying to support their families they won't have time to fight the good fight. They'll be too busy weeding and irrigating.

 

gardener,

with all due respect for your status on the forums but check my age out brother, I'm a year older than you. I think it's a mistake to think of things in terms of a division between generations. the young need to be able to appreciate the middle aged and old, and the middle aged need to learn how to appreciate the young and old and the old need to be able to appreciate all of us. Appreciate is not the exact word I'm looking for but you get my point, don't you.

 

I appreciate your point of view SafetyPin, but so many of the other posters don't fit in our age or experience group. I was speaking to them. So many espouse Socialism, and Anarchism at an early age without truly researching the terms.

 

So you're either a sellout, or a naturalist doing subsistence farming? Where does that leave you sitting here on the internet.

 

So what do the terms socialism and anarchism mean and for that matter, what the heck is democracy?

 

Please explain to me how a system of government can lie , what is this lie?

 

Socialism and Communism ARE based on morals it was created for the benefit of the working class it was people like Fidel and Stalin who turned them into dictatorships. Karl Marx invented these out of the purpose bringing the wealth to the impoverished. Tell me how it is not.

 

How in the world are socialism and communism based on morals? Let me start you off...Communism is an atheistic system, or is it social morals you are about? And who decides what is socially moral? Socialism allows for religion, but suffers heavily from the social morals problem. That's one reason why France is in the shape it's in!!! Know your subject gents and ladies!

 

My own view of socialism/communism is that, that which is practical is moral.