Natural rights: Do they exist? Where do they come from? Are they relevant today?

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  1. Tishomingo

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    Since I don't believe there is such a thing, that would be hard. A right would be a claim by someone that others (including the government) have a duty to honor. A natural right, if such a thing existed, would be one that every person has just by being born or human. It would be in the same category as your pink elephant--a chimera.
     
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    regardless of what you believe, if you cant define it neither do you have a reasoned reference to legitimately reject it.

    So then you are promoting the premise that we humans have no right to live and survive.
     
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    In other words you need to provide us with the basis and all the necessary requirements for a right to be a valid 'natural right' to even be qualified to make such a judgement in the first place.

    Otherwise you just made it crystal clear you would not be able to recognize any natural right because you would not know how to identify it in the first place.
     
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    If they did. they wouldn't die. Nothing would be able to stop them from anything.

    Only an omnipotent entity could have "rights". A being that can't be prevented from existing or doing anything it desires has rights.

    That'd be God.
     
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    ??????Why do I need to do that? You're the one asserting their existence. Why don't you tell us what those requirements are, and then I might tell you why so-called natural rights don't have them.
     
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    There are over 200 posts here talking about natural rights and you maintain they do not exist.

    You admitted that you cant fathom what a valid natural right would even look like, hence admitting that you neither qualified nor capable of recognizing a natural right if it bit you in the nose.

    You have no argument, hence this thread (your ghost hunting expedition) is a waste of everyones time.
     
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    You are conflating the existence of a right with the protection of a right, two entirely different things. Rights do not vaporize just because someone is not capable of protecting them.

    Same thing below;
    There is no reason for some all powerful impenetrable being to have a right in the first place.

    If we were all invincible and impenetrable beings there would be no such thing as a right because we would not be able to violate each other in the first place.
     
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    Something that doesn't exist cannot "vaporize".

    There's no such thing as "rights".
     
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    Impenetrable?

    Strange word to attribute to God.

    You don't think God has the right to exist?
     
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    There is no such thing as a right. Not in this world, that's for sure.
     
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