Nelson Mandela: A mass murderer and terrorist

true, very true.
that being said, some people were not empathetic. so that in my mind changes some things.
of course 99% of the people would rather sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya. but if that one percent comes along and throws water on the fire every time it gets lit, then someone will eventually have to stop them from doing so.

 

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Where would this 'detail' and 'minutia' be then?

 

Well it doesn't apply to this thread. I only said it to gain his favor so that he would be receptive to hearing me. Its true though, he seems very concerned about his own diet and seems to know about supplements and their effects which is a complicated system to understand.

 

It might be true about supplements (not going to argue over that as I have very little interest in it, to be honest) but I've seen precious little of it in this thread (the thread you posted the comment in).
It's been more: 'take it or leave it' : /

It's a little like that other thread that shall never be mentioned ...

 

This is from Newt Gingrich- a conservative asshole who I guess is a little less of an asshole than I thought. He wrote this after he was attacked by his own party for writing praise of Mandela.

"After years of preaching non-violence, using the political system, making his case as a defendant in court, Mandela resorted to violence against a government that was ruthless and violent in its suppression of free speech."

"Mandela was faced with a vicious apartheid regime that eliminated all rights for blacks and gave them no hope for the future. This was a regime which used secret police, prisons and military force to crush all efforts at seeking freedom by blacks.
What would you have done faced with that crushing government?"

"Actually Mandela was raised in a Methodist school, was a devout Christian, turned to communism in desperation only after South Africa was taken over by an extraordinarily racist government determined to eliminate all rights for blacks.
I would ask of his critics: where were some of these conservatives as allies against tyranny? Where were the masses of conservatives opposing Apartheid? In a desperate struggle against an overpowering government, you accept the allies you have just as Washington was grateful for a French monarchy helping him defeat the British.
Finally, if you had been imprisoned for 27 years, 18 of them in a cell eight foot by seven foot, how do you think you would have emerged? Would you have been angry? Would you have been bitter?"

https://www.gingrichproductions.com...ne-nelson-mandela-and-american-conservatives/


Or you could agree with V.P. Dick Cheney that he was a terrorist-

"Dick Cheney Didn't Regret His Vote Against Freeing Nelson Mandela, Maintained He Was A 'Terrorist'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/dick-cheney-nelson-mandela-terrorist_n_4394071.html


Or you could also agree with Rush Limbaugh

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...as-death-not-what-s-important-americans-audio

 

I had no idea that Nelson Mandela had such a detailed knowledge of dietary supplements.

 

KevinH,

Or how about I agree with nobody and simply call it the way I see it?

I couldn't give a shit less what Rush Limbaugh or Dick Cheney think.

 

How do you think he managed to get to 95?

 

Luck.

 

I was never here to change your opinion.

 

Luck or chance is an event which occurs beyond one's control, without regard to one's will, intention, or desired result.

How do you know?

Serious question: do you know what food he had in prison?

 

I am not 100% sure, but I heard he got grass-fed steaks and Himalayan grown soy supplements.

 

Seaweed fed seals. Also not 100% sure though.

 

So not:

"How I long for amasi (traditional South African fermented milk), thick and sour! You know darling there is one respect in which I dwarf all my contemporaries or at least about which I can confidently claim to be second to none – healthy appetite."

But:

"How I long for Himalayan grown soy supplements and grass-fed steaks. You know darling there is one respect in which I dwarf all my contemporaries or at least about which I can confidently claim to be second to none – healthy appetite."

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/jul/20/nelson-mandela-food-south-africa

I would imagine any steaks he did have were 'grass-fed'.

 

Too bad Rat doesn't want a hero :biggrin:

 

I think he would like 23 hours [a day] solitary confinement for 18 years...

 

To be honest I can't really be bothered to get to the bottom of it all.
But my suspicion is that this "Cult of Saint Mandela" routine has substantial amounts of bullshit in it.

Strangely, Apartheid had a lot of similarities with the tribal system in Africa. It was like 2 countries in 1 geographical location. Zimbabwe and vast parts of Africa have been an absolute disaster after colonial rule. I know a few NON-whites in Africa who say that the continent wasn't ready for post colonial rule.

One thing worse than a dictator killing a smaller number of people, is a constant civil war killing a larger number of people. So I think that should be considered in all this. S Africa is one of the continent's success stories... relatively speaking. I think that is down to the European way (European people's!) of building countries. I don't see Chad and the like revelling in post colonial rule...

Mandela is a big topic and these 2 articles were interesting
...

http://rt.com/news/mandela-sharp-quotes-media-860/

http://rt.com/op-edge/mandela-legacy-hijacked-death-903/

Mandela is being painted as some sort of "Jesus" character. Why? Because he became pally with the Western Establishment, and because he was no longer angry towards them. Can't say I can see why thats so worthy of commendation if he used terror (if that was the case).

I think there is one reason why Mandela the possible terrorist is being "canonised" by the Western Establishment. He is the poster boy for the modern oppression that is so called "Globalisation".

All this bullshit that different cultures should be forced together, regardless of compatibility. The media shitstorm today has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with S Africa. It is saying "you must accept a culture without boundaries, you must accept Africans, Muslims and all the residents of the 3rd World in your jobs and your homes and your schools, otherwise we will consider you extremists".

In London just 44% of the popln is indigneous British. And just 55% is European. The majority of babies are born to foreign mothers. The Establishment LOVES the idea of 3rd world immigrants filling jobs - they work for less, they expect less, they are compliant. They are used to oppression and will tolerate rough justice dished out against them. Put simply, they are a tool to oppress indigeneous people. So Mandela is being portrayed as some sort of Jesus character. They say "the devil will appear as a meek and kind man, claiming to be the answer to all our problems". Mandela may be portrayed as a "saint", but the Establishment's agenda behind all that is anything BUT saintly...

 

He used that knowledge to make bombs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandela_made_bombs_with_himalayan_soy

 

Still bored, didn't read shit.. so I apologise if this breaks the flow of the thread...

But watch "The Power of One". Ignore the storyline, but it gives a pretty good impression of what the apartheid was actually like.

Then watch "Bang Bang Club", which gives a you a peek at the pre - switchover.

Then watch "Red Dust". That's cleaning up the mess a bit..

And then watch "The Long Walk to Freedom". Just cos.. you may as well....

Only then, will you actually realise how impressive Mandela really was. He accomplished a MONSTROUS fucking task.

 

I don't think anyone's arguing that the man didn't accomplish a monstrous task, or that it's a bad thing that he did. I'm just not going to put the man on a pedestal or worship him when he resorted to such Cowardly measures.

He saw his own faults yet his followers worship him like Jesus without sin.