New and Old Hippies. The Beginnings Times for the New Future Movement.

Yeah, I'm just trying to get 10 solid real people committed to get together and to start the next new thing. And it seems that we still are only a few. Folks want to write rules and to know what they are committing to first. Rules are a curse upon mankind. You can have freedom or you can kill freedom with rules. No Rules!
I don't wish to put my faith and energy into something that will be built to be splintered. Thank you very much.

I just want to have us start a new thing, a new scene. Something new and cool that others will wish to join in with. Something that is really moving. To have us all learn to understand the old and pick it up and go into the future, our future and create the new scene.

Apply for a Visa way early. Like a year or more. Have a passport. You can't get into any country if you can't show money. Much Cash, Bank account or Traveler's checks. Just a Heads-up.

I don't think that there are any more real ones. That's a part of what I'm all about. "Do it yourself" start your own hippie commune! That's why I wrote on the other page about three or four houses in different places on the Earth. Cool?
Start your own hippie commune! Start your own hippie life! Start your own hippie party! Me Too.

You said, "it can't be done exlusively over the internet."

Which is true. However, we ought to be able to do some things over the internet. Lets do those. Then we can all relocate should we choose.

Yeah, I know what you mean about showing, but I think Syria is not a good example because it is about showing up to be murdered. I wouldn't show up ether.

I agree, so lets get just 10 real youth of the world and get going here.

No, What you wrote was

Like The Manifesto of Youth.​

 

Rules? Who said anything about rules?

As for knowing what you are committing to, that is only sensible. Failing to do so is the Jim Jones / Charles Manson trip.

 

Okay. But aren't they both dead? And their trips, as well?

Snicker LOL. Tee Hee.

 

Exactly!

 

Manson is still alive. I live about 20 minutes from him.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Scorpio~ I am back...

You mentioned to me on the other page that you had some ideas/intuition about how to get people to actually communicate with each other.

I found that things like the FaceBook have turned relationships into such surface, superficial relationships that people are generally both afraid to talk about things considered "taboo" or "not-mainstream" and also simply don't know HOW to relate to another person in a very intimate, close way (sharing inner thoughts and such).

Like I said, I have about 7 friends that I consider "intimate" or whatever. We talk all of the time about the state of the world. We all go about our lives trying to live as examples of what we idealize, but the trouble lies in meeting more people who will genuinely communicate about things like that. They just want to gossip, talk about TV shows, and other mundane things.

When I started graduate school last year, I thought it would be a sort of "gathering of the minds" where dialogue like this would occur. Perhaps in the 70s or 60s it did. But now, people don't want to talk about anything other than the math problems assigned to them. And if you get together with them outside of the Math Dept., all the do is get drunk and act like idiots because they are so miserable. I always suggest to come to my apartment and just "hang out." But, no one ever takes me up on the offer. They want to get loaded and grind on some stranger's genitalia instead!

 

Thanks, Reverand JC.

Today, when I went bach and read what I had wrote I realized that. Oh he's alive. Duh, Me. Thanks bro.

How do you feel about the concept of going forward and being a whole new thing? I appreciate your wisdom and the things that you come up with. I feel that you could easily help newer folks with getting some comfort and knowledge of the old ways and things. Some insights from yesteryear kind of thing. Good stuff for their live.

I know that I have a lot to give to people. But I don't want to direct anybodies heads. Everyone should grow their own way.
I believe in the old saying G U R U (Gee, You Are You). Not be a Guru. I just want to be me. Not a hero. (Although. I did survive through the hippies wars).

Can you tell me how I can lose the concept of mentor and be the concept of equal and friend? With out regard for age or knowledge? I mean, that My own self image is that I'm still 23 inside. I just don't look in mirrors. LOL

Would you be a regular part of this family and/or commune?
More down home YOU. We're all intimate friend in this space here. Could this become our Trip?

Tell me. Thanks.

 

Ok, so i'm thinkin of a list of some ideas i wanna get goin here. Maybe it'll serve as a springboard to discussion.

Grapes! More grapes, grapes for everyone! And kiwifruit! Because I love kiwi!!!

I like to fight for the right to party- no wait! I mean to let my feet be happy and free, not trapped in cramped, hot shoes all day.

I want everyone to get along. I want happiness for all people.

Conservation of Mother Earth. Conserve plants and animals and nature. But I'm still gonna eat meat, call me a hypocrite.

Acceptance and tolerance of everyone's differences and opinions, whatever they're about. Music, politics, recreational drugs, style, way of life, etc.

Here's a good one: NO MORE POLITICAL PARTIES!!! Drawing those types of boundaries only leads to disagreements for each side trying to appease voters and it never leads to actually solving problems.

That's all I got for now. So far, so good?

 

You went bach... So can I go Mozart?

 

We seem to have a significant amount of people here who happen to be 17. That good.

I vote that we put 'em all in charge of this family and/or commune space. That could Rock.

The people who are 17 or so are the leaders!​

Like I say, My own self image is that I'm still 23 inside.

I like Grapes.

Can those of us who want to party huge, dance bare foot together? Rock It.

Most of the old hippies that I know, and me too, eat meat.

Acceptance and tolerance, Music, politics, recreational drugs, style, way of life, etc. I'm there.
Except for I'm only into 60s Music period, and Bach and Mozart and classical and some styles of jazz.

 

I think that those of us who are mentally mature here view you for what you are. You are experienced with more experiences than most of us, simply because of your age if nothing else, but, we are all equals.

If a new society is going to exist like the one we hint at here, things like superiority and inferiority should not exist. What should only exist, is existence (I seriously am not trying to sound cheesy- sorry for any cheese!). That is the problem with most people: They just refuse to accept things the way they are. NOW! There ARE things you can accept, then change. But, there ARE some things you cannot change. That is where maturity comes in. Realize what you can change, and what you cannot. Go from there.

Moving to the general topic, I really do think the best route to take is something completely new and novel. We don't need to be 1960s Hippies 2.0. No! We are going to be something new. We don't know what yet. That 'identity' type of crap will fall into place as things progress.

I think the best thing we can do as our 'little alliance' here on Hip Forums, is to make daily contributions to the cause for a better world.

For example, tomorrow, I think each of us should take time to sit down, talk intimately (I don't mean sexual, just close talking) to them (or if there is two or more people, that is cool too), put out some "Big Issue" queries to them. Say you are in to politics. Ask your friend if they think it is a good idea that the media on TV and the Radio is spending more time talking about Anthony Wiener's Wiener over the fact that unemployment is still 9%. For me, a more scientist (I am an active mathematics graduate student researcher) type, I will try to ignite a discussion on "What is space? What is time?"

Just find two people to talk to throughout the day. Find two topics that are significant to CHANGE (be it directly- like the Wiener thing, or indirectly like the Spacetime query), and report back to us on Wednesday!!

What do you think?

 

Hi KeithBC

You were saying and yes it is sensible.
“As for knowing what you are committing to, that is only sensible. Failing to do so is the Jim Jones / Charles Manson trip.”

So, okay let’s I.D. me and my history, _ or a kind of profile.
To get an idea of where I’m coming from, I am offering my very first post on Hip Forums. It’s in “Church of the Good Earth 1963 and Beyond”. Page=111.
The path there is:
Hip Forums > Hip Communities > Hippies > Back to the Garden > Church of the Good Earth 1963 and Beyond

At first I was just going to keep this post here short. I was just going to place the link to that first post. However, I gave it some thought and I think that a lot of people don’t bother to click on links, so I’ve chosen to post the whole thing here instead.

What is far more telling about ME Personally is the responses of the others in that thread. Their responses to me, and who I am.
Their responses are on page=112 and page=113.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=112

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=113


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My first post is on page=111.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=112058&page=111
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My First Post.
My Creds

Note: this all takes place in San Francisco (Haight Ashbury neighborhood, the house street names) in something like 1969–1973.
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Hey! I'll write the screenplay!

Hi all. I'm finally checking in. Dearest Cakes, I've always wondered what or where you had wandered off to in life.

Hi. Its Scorpio Kenny.

Wow. You've got Leo Ron, Spud, Mouseman, and even Zev, all on the same page. Now there's a cast of characters, if I've ever seen one. Hi y'all.

I thought the 4th of July wars was already famous. I'm sure that there are some old neighbors that still remember it.

If any of you don't remember me right off, I use to do the G.D.I. with Sag Johny, and New York Pisces Sunshine. I hung with folks like Mister Machine and Ga Ga. I'm 6'-1" and Blond, and hung with a gal called Taurus Debby. We lived in the blue house basement with Samson, Upper Cole Street with Kelly, Page Street with Scorpio Mary, and Missy when she lived there, and the Upstairs back porch above the leather shop, and in the back basement of the white house. Kind of mobile.

Then super mobile. Taurus Debby and I thumbed to Southern California and lived beneath a waterfall in a desert water canyon next to Palm Springs which is where Little Annie hailed from. Deb and I had a son.

We moved back to the City in a van and dropped by upper Market Street house just to say hi and visit. Where upon we were promptly kidnapped and never heard from again. Eden threw me into her lair and Ranger disappeared Debby. Somehow, two G.E.ers (Good Earth/ers) got morphed into two "Down Home Nastys", and they never knew what hit 'em. (From one commune to the next commune) And they all lived happily ever after. For A while. Beyond that, you've got to ask Ranger. Hi Audreyanne! Hi Ranger.

Hi Heif. I'm so glad that I finally got into your spot, here. Home Sweet Home. The dot com would not let me register in here, using my Mac. I've been reading your board for two years now, off and on. I'm finally here. whew. Please tell Ranger that Kenny is in. Thanks, Cakes. Hey, in reading above I just now realized the you and I are the exact same age. 59. Trip! Or maybe that stat is an old stat. Hey how's life in the Lone Star? Terrif I' hope.

Talk with you all latter.

Keep living the adventure. Love ya All Scorpio Kenny

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Here's an intimate talk. Me. :sunny:

BTW Three of the ladies mentioned above were long term loves with me. And two were Hot Flashes. Not Cakes. Not Missy. Not New York Pisces Sunshine.

etkearne said, "… talk intimately (I don't mean sexual,…"
Hey. Why not??

 

Well Kenny,

To answer your first question I'll just put a link:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/...9&highlight=Open+letter+to+young+hippies&f=12

Remember even most Gurus consider themselves students too. I think it is our inequalities that make us equal. Ponder that and I'll explain in another post.

As for leaders. Jerry Garcia once said, "I don't want to be the leader of anything." Living a simple life and a direct life while taking an indirect path seems to work for me.

I am of the belief that independence is the most destructive illusion that man has been led to believe. Most of the destruction of the environment, extinction of creatures (the passenger pigeon comes to mind) and wars occur because we believe that we exist independently of others.

I work with disabled people. A part of the disabled rights movement is the "Independent Living" movement. There are Centers for Independent Living all over the country where people can go and get help with accommodated housing, work, attendants, etc. I was joking that I wanted to start a center for interdependent living. Where people can learn how we aren't independent and how much we depend on each other.

I think that even by being here discussing this makes us a part of this 'community' or 'movement' or whatever you want to call it. If anyone of you cats showed up on my front porch I'd share a pot buttered rum with you. If you were nice enough I'd even teach you how to make it and spread it over the countryside.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

I read it. Rather dour. I see your point. Agree with some of it. To an extent, it is true but not entirely. I was a hippie in Berkeley and I was a hippie in the Haight Ashbury in San Francisco. One was highly political, anti everything, and Saturnine. The other was anti-political, creating a whole new everything, and celebratory. I was one and then the other. Now I am both but not cynical any longer and always positive, productive, and joyous.

I shall address this topic in some other post. Too much to say.

In my world, the 60s where one big adventure. However, I was actively seeking adventure and I was actively trying to be in the right places in the right times. Yay!

I was basically asking about about:

“…a whole new thing

…newer folks with getting some comfort and knowledge of the old ways and things.
Some insights from yesteryear kind of thing.
Good stuff for their lives.”

Meaning for the future.

One thing that seem to hurt most people is not realizing that we are all students all of our lives.

Jerry also once said, “Why do people come to me and expect me to know how to solve the problems of the world? I’m just a guitar player.”

ILLUSION
Humans are a million years worth of TRIBAL. Modern people don’t think about this any longer. We are all a million years worth of SOCIAL animals. Even wolves are social animals and run in a pack. In the real world the lone wolves end up dead. All of you lone wolves out there, “have a ball. Bye bye.” All humans need each other in a nurturing suppose structure. A million years worth of joint food and water and shelter. Today’s society would have each of us crawl off into loneliness and curl up and die without a soul to greave about it.

I am trying to crush and counter that concept right here and now in this thread.

How about the other people who are on the edge or who can’t function well enought to learn to live independently? Do they just fall through the cracks? Are they just stored away in expensive care homes forever? What if one was to start a non-profit as an organization to aid the moderately dependent (Moderately Independent). Joint homes where the people live together, and the people help each other. Like where vets with no legs can be helped out by people who can walk and they in turn can help others who have their arms missing from the shoulders. The sighted injured can aid the blind. Folks with arms or prosthetics can cook their favorites and clean the kitchen afterwards. Kind of non-profit organization certified care homes that are like help each other communes, with every bodies room and board pay for by pay checks, Medicare, V.A., on Insurance or whatever. Moderately Independent self-help care home, and or transition homes. Commune?
Your opinion? Cool? Or bad idea? Just a thought.

Yum, Love hot buttered rum. Wow, great idea. With a recipe like that, you could conquer the world. Figure of speech. And then set it free.

I’m picturing
“… buttered…”
and
“…spread it over the countryside.”

My mind’s picture is of a 400-mile long butter-knife, spreading a Rocky Mountain chain size amount of butter and slathering it all over the United States. Picture a cartoon version of this. LOL.

Great to be part of your tribe, brother.

Kenny :sunny:

 

Really fantastic idea to me. I suppose it could be called a commune, Isn't that what communes are? people helping people. love. isn't that what we're all about?

 

Maybe that's what we should try to do to start our movement?
A non-profit organization to help the dependently independent.

 

Taking a couple of cues from the independent living movement. A big part of it is about Staying in your home as opposed to going into a nursing home. They have found that the disabled live longer outside of a home then they do inside one.

I think the problem I have with communes is that humanity kicks in. In some ways it is exclusionary. I understand that you you want to live with like minded people etc. I saw an interview with Dennis Hopper once talking about making Easy Rider. He said they tried to shoot the commune scenes at a real commune but most of the communes that he saw consisted of one or two guys with power trips and about 8 overworked women. I have a friend staying on my floor looking for housing right now so we were looking at ads on Craigslist and discussing in an almost derogatory way what we were seeing. lines like "must be vegan", "must not be home much", etc... not only do they want you to live with them they want a degree of control over your life.

The other thing is that by doing the whole "going back to the land and starting a commune" thing. Pulling away from society, Growing your own food etc. almost seems counter productive to me. Even if you drop out of society it will just continue to do what it's doing without you.

I saw a fantastic documentary called "Favela Rising". It was about an NGO (Non Government Organization) in Brazil called Afro-Reggae. They teach kids about music, dance, art, job skills, do special training sessions with the police to help them understand the situations that they are dealing with etc. In the special features section they showed the film being shown to community organizers etc. with a Q and A section. One of the questions that was commonly asked to Anderson Sa, the head of the group was "How can we help?" His response was simple "Forget about me in Brazil. You have Favelas in your own country. Go to them. Help them."

So that is what I do professionally I work at the Boys and Girls club in the Tenderloin Monday through Friday helping and 8 year old Autistic boy interact. Then Saturday and Sunday I help 2 physically disabled men get up and get into their wheelchairs so they can live productive lives. Plus I'm making toddy mix and trying to get it into some dispensaries in the bay area.

You have people all around you looking for help. Help them. If everybody who is reading this helps one person today then change will be affected. Especially help out people who hate Hippies. That will plant a seed of change in their minds. I can't count the number of times I've heard "Fucking Hippies! Not you J you're cool."

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Naw, you can't escape society to try and fix its problems. That'd be like jumping out of a car without brakes to try and stop it. We can't pull out of society, but rather we've got to help change it and make a positive impact on the world. We have to stop what we don't like is going on and do something about it.
I completely agree with you, Rev J.

 

The problem with communes is membership. Either you insist on common values, in which case you have to be exclusionary, or else you have nothing in common and no cohesion. Finding a middle ground seems to be difficult, and most communes do not survive for long because of this.

What works better is a non-intentional community that attracts people of vision for natural reasons. You can choose which of your neighbours you wish to associate with. Things like home care for stay-at-home seniors happen naturally by community involvement.

The reason this doesn't happen often is that people tend to choose the community they live in based on employment opportunities. My wife and I deliberately chose to live in a community that has no employment opportunities. Everyone who is here lives here because they want to, not because they have to. And everyone has to be creative, because making a living is a challenge.

 

Yeah. You're all correct. Communes never work. That could never happen.


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In 1973 or 1974, me and my lady lived for a short time in the rear of the up stairs place behind the tree. After that, we relocated to another share apartment in the same commune two blocks away.

This is a today shot of two building on the north side of Haight Street, a block and a half of the west end of Haight Street where the street ends at Golden Gate Park.

In this picture, bottom left to right. The little shop behind the silver car was the commune's hippie gift shop. Hand made pipes, candles, scents, and other artisan goods and crafts. The space under words Thai Cuisine is a private alleyway driveway pass through to the back yard that leads to a big two story carriage house. Note the driveway in the sidewalk curb on the street. That carriage house building was a commune business for several car mechanics to work at. That upstairs in the carriage house was living space. Next building, the door behind the tree is a walkway to the next backyard, used by many as a main entrance to all of the commune spaces. Then the store named "static". This was boarded over and locked. It was a huge crafts workshop for making things. Mainly a leather workshop. The two doors. All this is one building. Each door goes to a front and rear apartment. Both doors. Four apartments in the building. The right hand store was a regular privately owned store.

Up stairs, left to right. Thai Cuisine building, the whole two apartment upstairs, plus, as I stated the rear separate carriage house upstairs was commune. Right building. The front and rear apartments on the left and the rear apartment on the right door were part of the commune. That front apartment on the right was other people.

This was just the Haight Street building part of the commune. There were a ton us us in other apartments and flats in many other buildings in the Haight Ashbury District of San Francisco. Another commune Haight Street store front location was on the same side of the street two blocks to the east and was the worlds first neighborhood recycling center. There were community out reach programs and arts and other programs for children.

This commune was large and diverse. It was partially started as a halfway house for parolees out of San Quentin Prison. It was a church branching out of the Universal Life Church. There were everything from flower children to ex-convicts and everything in between. Rainbows, White Panthers, Black Panthers, Veggies, STP family, Hells Kitchen, New York City, Mother Fuck Family, Apolitical Hippies, Country Hippies, Bikers, City Hippies, People Seeking GOD, and all kinds of people living together, surviving together, Loving and Tripping together, working together, Partying together.

Yeah. You're all correct. Communes never work. That could never happen.