new painkiller

We are all fucked when they introduce zotramadol. Then saying that's all that will be available. Lol

 

Yes, they are always talking about drugs....while they put out and profit from more.

 

yeah we heard of this zohydro over a year ago.(look back in the opiates thread) i think it,d be fun to try. but there,s a problem arising here already.
http://www.wearecentralpa.com/story...arry-powerful-new-narcotic/40257/Dxuj0FCk1Uug

pennslyvina;..More than 40 consumer groups, health care agencies, and drug and alcohol prevention programs called on the FDA Wednesday to rescind its approval of a powerful pain-killer. Zohydro is a time-release form of the narcotic pain killer hydrocone. Opponents say because it's in capsule form, the drug could easily be snorted or injected and due to it potency, it could be more deadly than heroin and other opoids.
Local drug store chain Thompson's Pharmacies won't be carrying the new form of hydrocodone. Pharmacist Brent Ronan doesn't see the need for another powerful narcotic pain pill. "Why add one more?", he asks. "The benefits don't necessarily outweigh the risks, there's plenty of options as far as pain relief."
Ronan doesn't expect doctors in Central Pennsylvania to issue many prescriptions for Zohydro because it's very expensive, and there are so many other options.
He says Zohydro isn't necessarily more dangerous than similar narcotics, but it is another drug that could get on the street and cause problems.
Attorneys General from 28 states, including Pennsylvania have asked the FDA to rescind its approval of Zohydro.

 

All I got to say to that is the more the better and not from just using them for recreational use. I'm talking about when there are more options the makers gotta step up their game by either making a more affordable or better product or whatever. Remember when ea sports was the only licensed football game? Madden sucked for awhile,but you throw in a competitor and all of a sudden they will make a better game. I'm rambling but hope you get what I'm sayin. Also everyone is different and react better to certain meds than others. So ya you can look at it like mo meds mo problems or I see it as more treatment options for those that need it.

 

yes this what you said... "everyone is different and react better to certain meds than others."

1,000th post whoo

 

Very true, in some cases these NSAIDs even work as well as opiates for pain relief.

 

I'm no expert on opiates, but isn't one subjective difference is that NSAIDS actually shut down the transmission of pain/reduce inflammation whereas opiates act more to dull the effect pain has subjectively rather than eliminate it?

Ya know, on opiates pain is still there, you just don't give a fuck.




and as always the final answer is to remove the restrictions on these substances and treat it as a medical issue rather than criminal, but that's another story.

 

I can't speak for everybody but just because I have iv'd pills in my life (obviously not doing that at all now), doesn't mean I would want to iv Tylenol or another otc painkiller. I always removed the otc painkillers before even drinking kool aid mixed with codeine. Or taking a bunch of pills orally.
But yea, I do agree that some people could give a shit how much Tylenol they are taking... and those ppl are the reason I think it's good when pills don't have Tylenol, etc in them. If a doc thinks it'll work better to take with Tylenol, tell your patient to go get some Tylenol otc n take it with the rx painkiller. For ex- when I was rx'd muscle relaxors for an injury, the muscle relaxor didn't have ibuprofen in it.. but the doc told me to take 800 mg along with it. simple.

 

Well, yea, exactly. I said in another post of mine that I'm sure "they" would say they don't want to remove the otc painkillers from opiate painkillers because that would encourage abuse. But "they" also know that they already are, so why not make things safer and if a doc wants to encourage ppl to take a certain dosage of an otc painkiller w their rx, go ahead and tell them.
But that would be too easy I guess.

 

I knew some piece o' shit in the late 70's who had a major codeine addiction.
She died of liver failure from all the Tylenol.
Actually proud that I helped put that cow and her 5' high pile of garbage she called a boyfriend in jail. :2thumbsup:



they stole and forged a bunch of my mom's checks and got bogus scrips in my mom's name, they deserved it.




p.s. before anyone takes offense, they were pieces of shit plain and simple, their drug choices had little to do with it.

 

:2thumbsup:

I don't take offense.. I find that awesome actually. I can't stand thieves and I have never once stolen even a dollar from anyone to support anything I used to do. If I didn't have money to get anything, I'd be sick if I had to be sick.. but that's just me. I have people who steal-even though I know they are doing it because of their addiction.
There was this couple-this girl and guy I used to hang out with and go get stuff together. I totally trusted them and knew them for years and one time let the guy use my debit card to get out $50. He gave me back the card and receipt and all was cool. A couple weeks later they made me stop at a gas station and went in... later that night my husband said to me "why did you take $60 out of the account when I TOLD you there was no money and the rent would bounce if you took anything out?" me- "umm, I didn't... wait, where and when was this taken out?" yea, it was that gas station at the time they told me they had to stop there to use the bathroom.

I didn't call the cops BUT I was going to in 10 hours. What I did was called them up and told them "I'm getting ready to call the police if you don't have the money back to my house in less than 10 hrs and believe me there will be a videotape of the atm withdrawl"... the guy was scared of my husband and made me PROMISE my husband wouldn't be at the door to kick his ass. two hours later I heard the door open REAL QUIET..went down there and there was the money in an envelope in the door. Neways, my point is, I WOULD have called the cops if we didn't get our money back. I don't tolerate thieves.

*end rant* (oh and yes, I know... how dumb of me that I ever let that guy use my pin. lol... I tend to be too trusting.. or I used to be!)

 

I believe they mix it with NSAIDS for 2 reasons, because Hydrocodone and Tylenol, etc. combined work better, and also to keep it at Schedule 3, provided that it's below 15mg per dose.

 

Ah, the scheduling was something I didn't think about at all.

:2thumbsup:

 

I just don't see any Dr. prescribing this to an Opiate naive patient. Seems to me that unlike the "Great FL Pill Mill's" of the 2000's which are long gone and while there may be other states where that still goes on, the majority of PM Dr's would be hard pressed to start someone on this med. I watched the national news the other night when they profiled this story. What i found ridiculous was the fact that they basically made it breaking news with this med's ability to be crushed and snorted. The problem will of course come from pain patients who sell their meds. A seasoned Opiate addict may be able to sit down, crush 3 30mg Blues of Oxy which is well above this med, but how many will say, "It's Hydro" man, knock it back! Putting on my "User Days" hat, I'd have loved to have had this back then!