No Smoking Ban

yeah but it smells horrible...ONLY REEFERS!!!!

 

i don't really care either way, i love the smell of second hand smoke, but i mean if people really want it to go away i won't make a fuss. i'm not really losing anything

 

I myself am not a smoker, but I have to disagree with you matieu on the enforcement of a no smoking ban in public. We already seem to be losing our freedom left and right as it is, and the whole "free country" thing anymore is a load of, well, you know. You are being controlled every which way you look, and it's bound to get worse.

 

In the community of Chatham-Kent, Ontario we have already issued the ban. It has been in effect for about two years. To be honest, when it happend I didn't notice that big of a difference. People are able to smoke in public but just not in buildings. Many bars in the area put up covered patios to get around the no smoking policy.

Face it. Some folk like to smoke. I used to smoke drugs but not anymore. I have never smoked a cigerette in my life. Lots of my friends are smokers but in all honesty that doesn't bother me either.

 

I think restricting smoking to areas where non-smokers wouldn't be affected (like ventilated rooms in a restaurant) would be cool...they really ought to ban the state issued foodstamp card and go back to the paper ones, so we can take and get all of the money back like we used to do...buy a $.10 piece of candy, get $.90 back--do it 10 times in a row and piss the cashier off..

 

actuly i heard on the new that the anti smoking laws where i live (CT) might be removed because of loss of business here in the winter its 0 out side and theres snow and wind people arnt going to go outside in the summer its not as but still sucks, its a private business they own it if they want smoking they should have it and if you dont like it dont go there i dont smoke either if i did smoke my lungs would be retarded because i get alot of flem in my lungs when there secound hand smoke so i chose not to be around place that are smoky, deal with it, next someone who doesnt drink is going bitch, you smoke weed your fucking up your lungs too.

 

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see that I agree with too. I can actually remember a few shows at the old Higher Ground (Trey Anastasio's brother in laws music club) where certain bands requested that the place be smoke free for the evening. Stringcheese may have been one of them, but I can't remember as it was six years ago. Anyway, I respected the bands choice and that the owner of the club went along with it.

Just as the patron should take it up with the bar owner, so should the band. At the end of the day, no one is forcing the band to play at a venue that allows smoking just the same as no one is forcing a fan into such a venue.

Like I said, I believe a business owner should have the right to a certain degree at governing what kind of establishment they want to run.

What I don't get though is why so many people would be perfectly fine with the idea of allowing pot smoke if it were legal. granted it does smell better than cigarettes and the second hand smoke has far fewer toxins , but if someone wants to argue for clean air, than they should argue for it all the way. (this last bit is not directed at you, drummin', its directed at the author of this thread and people who share that opinion)

 

quote: where certain bands requested that the place be smoke free for the evening.
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That sounds kind of funny, come to our show and pay 15 bucks, but NO SMOKING...
Here all the bands smoke onstage because thats the only time you can get away with it...something that was so common has now become daring.

The one good thing about the ban is that it creates more of a street life, and gives the homeless and drug dealers more people to hit up...in fact last night while smoking someone came up and tried to sell me "hash" that looked like a block of particle board.

quote; Like I said, I believe a business owner should have the right to a certain degree at governing what kind of establishment they want to run.

I agree, now I get my chance to act like a "true American" and say that freedom in business is what this country is founded on.

 

Oh I thought that if in clubs/bars there could be a smoking area but a air vent so no one could smell it...maybe

 

Like I said,

I have no problems with establishments that don't allow smoking. There is a ban here in the town I live. I just personally feel that it should be the decision of the business owner as opposed to the courts. If the business owner doesn't care enough for their employees or patrons to do away with smoking, then that is their choice - they aren't forcing people to work for them nor guests to enter their establishment.

As for the dangers of second hand smoke - yes these are very real and documented. That being said, all jobs are met with certain risks and an if an employee chooses to work at smoking establishment, they are aware of this risk. Granted, the job market is tight, so I am at least somewhat sensitive to others taking a job on a need basis, no matter what the work conditions. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to put a roof over your head.

 

in minnesota you are not allowed to smoke in any building... sucks for smokers, but w/e.

 

I talked with a restaurant owner about this the other day. He says his business is hurt by the smoking ban. First he complains that he has less costumers. Second, those smokers that do still come eat their dinner then leave. Smokers don’t stay for dessert or drinks anymore. Because of less costumers and that smokers don’t stay long or spend as much has a big impact on their overall profits. More than that it hurts waiters/ waitresses because they get less in tips.

 

It seems that the law effects different areas differently. Here it has a negative impact on business. Granted not to the point where it will cause businesses to go under but, it will cause higher prices. My concern is that the people who can least afford it are effected the most. Since there are less costumers and the ones they do get do not stay as long they get less in tips.

However it may be a boon for the delivery business. I know that I eat out a lot less since the no smoking ban but I do order out more often.

 

I think it is a great idea. Atleast in a restaruant, the last thing want is somebody's smoke in face while tryin to eat. But at a bar, I dont really have a problem with it, but sometimes it can become overbearing!