No Smoking Ban

LOL, what does that have to do with anything? I don't feel 'better' than anyone who drives, the main reason I don't have a car is 'cause it's so expensive overhere rather than for environmental reasons. And I don't have any problem with people who smoke, as long as they don't do it anywhere I have to inhale their secondary smoke (in a high concentration, like indoors -I don't think it makes that much of a difference outside). You're the one who brought up the car comparison.

 

I would really like to be able to walk into every bar/pub and not inhale second-hand smoke, but I fell that if the federal government forced a law upon restaurant owners about it then it would not be a democracy in America(not that it is in the first place).

 

Whatever.

 

There's a no smoking in public buildings ban in New York. Most people are against it. I don't smoke, and I think it's stupid. Don't blame them because you don't like cigarette smoke. You had a decision whether or not to go to a place with a smoking section- and don't give me bullshit about how there are no places without smoking sections, because it's just that. Bullshit. There are restaurants without smoking sections if you take five minutes out of your precious time and check.

The no smoking in a bar ban is absurd. It's a bar. Grow up. You don't go to bars to preserve your health. If you have a real problem with second hand smoke, buy a case of beer and have friends come to your house, to prove your a real health nut.

 

Smoking is a bad habit that people can easily give up if they try. It's an addiction that there are treatments for. Treatments that work. Why should non smokers go out of their way to give smokers what they want, when what they really NEED is treatment?? I'm sorry. I'm just sick of the whining I get from friends that smoke when I don't want to be around it. Get over it and get treatment for Christ's sake...then this would be a non-issue

 

If I smoked and you didn't want to be around me because of it I wouldn't whine.

 

like I said, hubby smokes, best friend smokes. At least he is trying to quit.

What about people with allergies to cig smoke? Like my grandma? And the partitions between the smoking and non-smoking sections in places back home where I'm from are a joke.

Like I said, get over it and get treatment...non-issue.

 

What the world just doesn't have enough of is people who know exactly what everybody else should do.

 

Soooo, you DON'T think people should try to overcome addictions?

Whatever dude.

It's not too much to ask. It would allow everyone in the world to get along at least a LITTLE bit better to just do away with this issue. I'm not for banning it in public places, i just wish everyone would try to quit. I'd never force the issue on anyone. Even my husband, who I offered to send cigarettes to over where he's deployed cause I know it helps keep him calm since he's addicted. When he gets back though, I'm going to help him quit...help...not force. I don't force shit on anyone.

Just stating my opinion .

 

Of course that's what I mean't, seeing that that's the most illogical possible way to take what I said

 

Personally I think everybody should walk around telling everybody else what they should do, I think the world would be a better place.

 

I have addressed this; the problem is that before there were smoking bans, there were NO establishments I could go to. It did work pretty well for restaurants in the US; there were many places that had no-smoking sections and these were large enough so you could find a good seat. But it DID NOT work here in the Netherlands; restaurants, especially in the city, are often pretty small places where, after an hour or so, it didn't matter what section you were in.

Bars, for as far as I have visited them (I don't really like them that much anyhow), were smoky both in the US and here. Without a smoking ban, the only choice I had was breathe smoke or stay home entirely.

Also, the moral issue or 'personal' choices don't mean crap to me, second hand smoke causes cancer. In case you'd missed it, that's a deadly disease. Morality or personal preference doesn't come into it; I don't care one bit what bad habits people have as long as it affects themselves, I don't care what people look like, whether they're dressed up for dinner, etc, etc -but I do care when their habits are a direct threat to my health.

 

There are in the US, but the US isn't the world, this happens to be in international forum. I DID call every restaurant in the area when I came back from the US (before I lived in the US for a few years, I really didn't know any better than eating out included the cigarette smoke of other diners), with very little luck. It's gotten much better since then (about 12 years ago), but I don't believe it would've happened if it'd been left up to the business owners entirely.

 

And I'm not so sure it should have happened. Point being shouldn't which segment of the population the business is going to cater to be left up to the business owner?

 

Not if that leaves a good-sized segment of the population without any places to go.

 

well then that good sized segment of the population needs to start their own resturant/coffee shop/bar/whatever.

Basically your saying it's OK to sacrifice someone elses personal rights in the name of your own covienance.

 

I'm only against it because most places that have smoking and non smoking sections do not adequately divide them. So the smoke from the smoking section will seep over. One main example is Steak 'n' Shake. And when you are taken out to dinner, you don't always get a say as to where you go.

My other reason is because of the effect it has on me due to my asthma. Having the feeling of losing your oxygen and ability to breathe is not a very fun thing to go through.

 

*Only* if those 'personal rights' are a serious health threat for everyone present. Then, YES, most definitely! Not just for 'convenience' -if you've ever been over to the 'bare it' forums, I am totally against places of business banning barefooters, or people who wear no ties, or whatever, based on the 'convenience' or 'preference' of others. Smoking is the exception because IT CAUSES CANCER (and not just for the person who does it, which is their own problem, but for others present too). IMHO that goes way beyond 'preference' or 'convenience'.

 

Let me put it this way; I have a real issue with people screaming into their cell phones in some public places. If I'm online at the coffee shop and some idiot's doing this right next to me for an hour I figure I have the right;

to ask him to tone it down.
Tell him "look, you can talk on your cell anywhere, I can't move the computer, how bout you sit somewhere besides up my ass?"
I even have the right to tell the manager that having people talking on their cells ruins the place for me
But..
I don't have the right to tell the owner he has to keep these people out of his place to accomidate me or else.

 

Cell phones may annoy you -they annoy me too- but they DON'T CAUSE CANCER to other customers. THAT is why I want to ban smoking and not all these other examples you've been naming. Is it so hard to understand?