Obama and ACORN

We are not talking about preventing poor folks from voting. We are talking about the same person registering to vote 72 times. We are talking about employees of ACORN soliciting people to register numerous times, and giving them bribes to do so.

Who said they are a terrorist organization? I don't believe ACORN is a terrorist organization. I think you are confusing ACORN with Obama lying about his association with terrorist Bill Ayers.

Anything but the topic right? You like distracting with weak arguments don't you.

 

Just watched the debate, old John brought it up this just isn't going to float. It's a non issue. Try again.

 

Wackiraqi has made up his mind so lets not confuse hinm with anymore facts.

 

You are confusing me. I keep looking for these facts that you, Gardener, and maryjohn keep talking about. You three sure as hell didn't post them in this thread.

 

This is absolutely amazing ~ i’m a member of some other forums and have been trying to discuss issues that i feel are important, and EXACTLY the same thing that is happening here, happened there.

Wacky? i don't think there are but a handful of people that really care to know the answers ~ everyone else just seems to be jumping on the Barrack Hussein Obama bandwagon, happy as pigs in slop to just cover themselves with their little mantras:

1) "If it were a real concern, why isn't [insert mainstream media choice] investigating it?"

and 1a) "Well, [insert mainstream media choice] investigated it and THEY say it's: a non-issue; bogus; or just the McCain campaign trying to smear our lovely little darling!"

It's beginning to remind me of that kid that did the youtube vid about Brittany Spears... If you say anything, that can in any way be considered derogatory to Barrack Hussein Obama, they start screaming the mantras and rush out to get their friends to come help them attack you.

What's so sad to me is that it's no longer considered proper to just be For your candidate ~ these days, you must be a RABID follower, and THAT leaves no room for logical thought and/or decision.

Folks, believe me when i say that i understand how frightening it is to come to grips with the fact that the very institutions that we have placed our trust in for so long ~ namely, our media ~ have pretty much sold out to the highest bidders, and are not telling us the truth. It's unbelievable, indeed, unimaginable ~

but it has happened.

Now, instead of acting like sheep they can run herd on, we need to start asking them what the hell they think they're doing, betraying our trust and BALDLY lying to us.

No, i’m not a repub ~
NOR am i dem

but i WILL vote for the candidate that represents the lesser evil.

btw, Wacky? GREAT thread! i sort of got wrapped around the axle with the quality and quantity of the Obaminites replies, but i’ve got to hand it to you ~ you've remained cool, calm and collected; handled each reply, regardless of degree of fanaticism, with aplomb; and laid out quite the case with your evidence.

i do not get how anyone could just ignore all of the smoke that is rising from Barrack Hussein Obama's past as though it was just a little burnt match. It's beginning to appear that there is a flipping wildfire raging out of control there.

Anyway, you’re not alone, and you are appreciated ~ by me, for at least!

 

can you maybe pick a different font?

And please, keep posting, because you are helping actual questioners see what kind of people fall for these manufactured scandals.

 

I agree the allegations against ACORN cannot be justified if they are true. However, ironically, ACORN wouldn't exist in the first place if voter suppression, targeted at the poor and minorities who would vote against McCain, wasn't a problem. Evidently someone needs to step in to ensure that these folks don't get turned away at the polls. Furthermore, ACORN wouldn't even be an issue if the McCain campaign focused on promoting the merits of it's candidate, rather than the rabid, smearing, hate mongering tactics they're using. But then, when you look at how little McCain has to offer, it's not surprising.

 

What a shock!

The next of the ever-popular Obaminite mantras:

2) "If you don't KNOW how much we should be kissing Mr. Barrack Hussein Obama's ass just for condescending to walk amongst us, well, you're just [insert a synonym for stupid]."

i'll tell you what ~ if you'll keep posting as an ambassador for your views, i'll keep posting in the same spirit; i won't, however, be changing-up my choices on how to use the tools these forums provide, e.g., font face/size/color.

 

the choice is between an acorn and a nut

 

LOL I like it. Opposite sides of the ballot, but hey we both have our reasons. Call it how you see it and use whatever font you want.

 

maryjohn, I have a question for you. Remember back in 2004 the Diebold controversy? If you need to refresh you memory, here is a link. And I know how much you like the New York Times, so here you go.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=technology&res=9804E3DC1339F93AA35752C1A9659C8B63

Quick refresher for you folks...

According to FEC data, in 2004 at least 8 million voters cast their ballots using Diebold voting machines. At the time the CEO of Diebold was Walden W. O'Dell, a longtime republican and Bush fundraiser.

Do you understand why some found a conflict of interest here? If so, you must understand why some find a conflict of interest when ACORN publicly endorses Obama for President (fact), has a record of Voter Registration Fraud (fact), and has received large sums of money from Obama (fact).

This is not a partisan issue. It is a matter not allowing manipulation of any kind to the biggest power the American people have against their government. I understand that this fraud is linked to the party you support, but I cannot believe that you do not find this at least questionable.

 

So i take it I've whittled your lies down to these three points?

I believe the controversy over diebold had to do with the lack of both security and paper trail, which is a bad idea either way. Personally, I believe a voting system that is well designed can come from any place. However the diebold machines were so bad that many municipalities went back to paper ballots. I don't buy the "republican conspiracy" theory, and never have. This is just a company with a crappy product and the right connections trying to make a buck. Our ATM machines, were they as bad as the diebold voting machines, would paralyze the banking system.

Acorn does not endorse voter fraud, and the fraud perpetuated by some of their paid workers is also fraud against Acorn because it does not help them achieve their mission. Evidence: current events, and this thread.

You exaggerated the sum of money going to Acorn (for legitimate get out the vote efforts, by the way) by a factor of 10. You have failed to provide any evidence that Acorn has actually assisted or caused any fraudulent votes to be cast. In FACT, you have not even been able to show how many fraudulent registrations Acorn has submitted, yet you still choose to use words like "rampant" to describe something of which you in FACT have no direct knowledge. May I suggest the reason you can't find good numbers, is that you are limiting your research to partisan entities, who conspicuously leave those numbers out because they do not bolster the case.

Fact: in Nevada and in other states were state law requires it, Acorn did not have the option of not turning in the registrations collected by workers that were plainly fraudulent. Fact: those registrations were turned in to authorities in a separate and labelled binder. Fact: Acorn has a strict policy that any employee committing fraud is immediately fired.

Opinion: Acorn should start doing background checks, and abandon its laudable efforts to employ members of the community it is trying to reach. Now that it has gained such prominence, it has to maintain a ridiculously high standard in order to frustrate attempts to suppress the voters it is trying to serve. It is, in effect, a victim of its own success. just as I am willing to keep eating wheaties despite the permissible "insect bodies" present as a minute percentage of the product, I am willing to tolerate a certain percentage of bad registration cards collected by entities I like and ones I dislike. If the percentage becomes very high, and a pattern of intentional wrongdoing or willful negligence can be proven, I will turn against them, because there are millions of eligible voters - enough to turn the tide in a close election - who can be tapped without fear of contested results.

I'm an Acorn supporter, and an Obama supporter.

I'm still waiting to hear who YOU support.

 

You've whittled them down eh? Are you really this inept? Read the first post in this thread that I provided information in. Did I not list the three points that I again mentioned in Post #71? Remember your clout that we discussed earlier? Guess what.....

Their record would have one believe otherwise.

I identified the amount of money that was paid to Citizens Services Inc., a front company for ACORN. The number is accurate, and Citizens Services is a front company. No exaggeration.

if you read some of the links provided, they represent some of the activity that I am discussing in this thread. Their indictments and prosecutions are of public record, and shouldn't be too hard for you to find. Use some of your "objective sources".

Here is a recent article from your honeypot, the New York Times.

F.B.I. Offices Examining Activities of Acorn
WASHINGTON — Several F.B.I. offices are reviewing reports of fraudulent voter registrations submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn, a liberal community organizing group that has been under fire from Republicans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17acorn.html?scp=1&sq=ACORN+voter+fraud&st=nyt

How many employees have they actually fired for committing fraud?

Do you think that maybe that requirement should have come up a decade or so ago when this problem started becoming frequent?

In other words, they may not be able to hire the felons, child molesters, drug addicts, and other convicted criminals that it has in the past.

ACORN a victim? Hardly. The American people are the victim.

Sounds about right.

 

Food for thought. Read this testimony.

http://cha.house.gov/UserFiles/184_testimony.pdf

 

You GO, MaryJohn! You didn't forget:

2a) it is imperative that you ALWAYS begin with some sort of antagonistically condescending remark ~ let these jokers know, in no uncertain terms, that they are rather lucky to be graced with your presence.


Sheesh.

 

look it up folks, and make up your own minds.

If you are curious, check the NYTimes.

For an interesting read, google "consumers rights league" and find out about its founder.

Browse the site, and ask yourself "is this an objective source of information?" "Where do they get their funding?" "Why do they seem to advocate positions in alignment with the credit card companies?"

Do not take my word when it comes to Acorn. Certainly don't take the word of a partisan tool like wacky. Find some objective sources and ask hard questions, especially the ones you might not want answered. I suspect you will find what you are looking for.

 

All this flap over a community organizing group. Didn't you republicans laugh about that part of Obama's resume at your convention? Now it's the most important issue you can find to harp on?

 

I think it is appropriate to point out that wacky still refuses to tell us who he supports.

 

I am not one of those that insists that people state where their vote is going to be placed. That's why we have the type of voting system we have.

I am more interested in why a community organizing company is now seen as subversive, when during the republican convention it was seen as laughable. I don't think anyone should be required to state their position publically. Our constitution outlines a system of anonymous voting.

 

only a republican would think that registering voters is fraud