Obama and Infanticide

You're advocating the rights of a non-sentient life form. It is alive but it cannot think for itself. Would you grant the same rights to a dandelion? It's alive, it can't think or speak up for itself, it's the same principle.

Now I know you think you have Jesus on your side but not all of us believe in Jesus. So you would sacrifice the rights of some to further your agenda. That is the very definition of oppression. This is why we are going to be stuck in Iraq forever because we can't just walk away and let the Sunnis and Shiites slaughter one another. Like it's any of your business what an adult woman does with her body and her embryos. Like it's any of Amerika's business what Muslim sects do to each other "unsupervised".

Reality just isn't good enough for you, is it?

 

An embryo has no innate rights and many times they are spontaneously aborted.

I find it hard to support arguments based on a religion that believes in a virgin birth, and a cosmic resurrection, both of which are scientifically impossible.

 

That's why they call it faith

 

Have you ever heard of the ASPCA? (The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals)

How about the Center for Plant Conservation?

Animals and plants aren't sentient beings, nor will they EVER be,

and yet

there are many well-respected people and organizations that are fighting, tooth and nail,

TO PRESERVE LIFE. Any and all life.

And whether or not you believe in God, THAT's what it's all about ~

Life is a gift. Just throwing it away is the ultimate betrayal of the "lifeforce" that we are created by.

 

I would consider furthering this debate but I can't stop laughing at you. I'm going to buy you a dictionary for Jesus' birthday next year.

 

Sorry ~ my bad.

From Wiki:
In science fiction sentience is "personhood": the essential quality that separates humankind from machines or lower animals. Sentience is similarly used in philosophy to describe the ability to have sensations or experiences, the qualities of which are known as qualia. Sentience is usually regarded as a more general concept than consciousness, which is often used to imply a form of sentience that includes a sense of time, place and self.

i've read too much sci-fi, it would appear!

 

A fertilized embryo has none of these things.

And a fertilized embryo has none of these things either.

Yeah me too. But I've also read some science-fact. You should try it.

 

Fyrenza's mind is allready made up so don't confuse her with facts.

 

For such an intellectual, i would have thought you could have run through the various defs, and figured out exactly what i meant, but...

Okay, for your edification:

Life as a process began when the first molecular replication became sustained into the unbroken chain which we have today. It is called the continuum. Somewhere along that chain the process for humans became refined into sexual reproduction and the fusion of male and female sex cells fused to renew that continuum by forming a new individual human life.

That is Biology 101.

It is also the first thing learned in Human Embryology: that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization (conception). Every textbook in Human Embryology states when the new individual human life begins. Even the ancients knew intuitively about this, as the Bible speaks of semen as "seed". Hippocrates certainly knew about the value of human life when he included in his Oath the prohibition of "using a pessary to produce an abortion".

 

I never said they weren't alive. Just that they are not people. Human, yes. Sentient, no.

 

If they're "human," and "alive,"

THEY'RE PEOPLE!

i know that's pretty simplistic, but it's true.

 

i've read too much sci-fi, it would appear!
You've not read too much until you start calling it SF instead

 

Animals are sentient beings, and always have been. What are you talking about?

 

TO PRESERVE LIFE. Any and all life.

So it's also murder to kill cancer cells?

 

No.

That would be considered self-defense.

 

Yeppers,

but i try to limit my abbreviations and colloquialisms.

Heck, i STILL don't know what most of the abbreviations stand for!