obama - business as usual, the end of the dream

It's impossible to know what's really going on unless you have access to classified information. Obama has access to that information, but you and I do not. I would say that the whole thing's a massive exercise in deception, and that the public is being presented with a false picture of what's going on.

We're stuck in Iraq because the zionists want us to be there. The objectives which are being pursued in Iraq probably have no bearing whatsoever on US public interest or on US national security.

 

You're welcome!

They haven't quite decided where to move it, as yet...

This is an interview O-Bozo did with Newsweek:

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Economy/story?id=6619291&page=1

and i found this part of the above pretty interesting:

i mean, WT??? First, he whines around about how it's so much harder than anyone realizes.

Which, come to think of it, is the way he starts out MOST of his back-pedaling on the things he was going to change, but that HE, evidently, didn't understand were so much harder than HE realized.

Then he says something like "We'll have to re-write a bunch of laws, because we MUST allow tainted evidence," which HE somehow knows to be true.

Excuse me?

Oh! But it's all cool ~

he then tells us how he's ALL about our Constitution,
even though he doesn't see fit to allow it's words to apply to him.

Then, we have this, from NPR (National Public Radio):

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99763915

So, what do you think is going to happen to Gitmo and it's prisoners?

 

Could you explain your reasoning for this a little further?

 

I take it you are not a big fan of Obamas?

Oh, it does not say they will be moving it, but won't be releasing prisoners if they feel they are still a threat. I knew that. I thought you meant they were going to - pretty much - move it wholesale somewhere else.

Obama does seem to say a few things as if they are going to happen a lot sooner than they actually are...and does like taking credit for things that were occuring anyway (closing Guantanamo and pulling out of Iraq)

If you are interpreting his words here, I don't read his words as saying he knows certain things are true...but, out of all the evidence from Guantanmo some of it is going to be true, but he doesn't know what is or is not "tainted".

They will probably rename it
I think it will return to it's previous incarnation. Some of the prisoners will evaporate into other countries juristidiction, ridding Obama of the hassle of having all the responsibilty of the remaining prisoners. Pretty much what has been mooted so far.

 

i'll help him explain things a bit better

you've got pirates YES PIRATES! attacking shipping in a major shipping lane - yet no money can be found to rid the sea lanes of this problem. this has been going on for ages.

an entire city (new orleans) was knocked out and bush and his friends strangely did bugger all beforehand and very little since.

if a cow dies in israel, hillary climton and obama would probably release some statement to the press about the cow and the tragedy of its death, as a result israel will be sent a couple of billion to help israel get over this tragic event.

meanwhile in taxpayersville america , people are being thrown out onto the street, little or no healthcare for the taxpayer exists and more expendable people are dying fighting in a war that no one can justify.

oh yes on top of that you've got climatic change that threatens the world.


the land of israel according to the religious fanatics will stretch from sinai to basra and north to turkey. all those who live in those lands will be wiped on or moved on just like the plalestinians. its all about baby steps, the religious fanatics don't expect to do all this in a few years they expect to do this maybe in a few centuries, unless they have completely drained the american tax payer by then. abraham was an iraqi, the religious fanatics view iraq as sovreign israeli territory, as they do jordan, syria, turkey lebannon and egypt.

obama is simply obeying the same orders as bush

if americans do not start voting in large numbers for people who care about the welfare of americans and america ,america will have no future - period.

the best thing the americans can look forward to under the boot of the religious fanatic that dictates to the american republic is a mouthful of rotten teeth, and nagging pain in their body that can't be fixed, homelessness and then death but not necessarily in that order.

 

he;s got a bunch of israeli firsters breathing down his back about how iran needs to be nuked. he;s also begging congress for billions more for the war effort. let's not forget how he pushed for bailing out wallstreet. so where's this change you speak of at exactly?

 

of course, everybody knows it was laregly paul wolfowitz and other israeli firsters who pushed for us to invade iraq. this was even before september 11th happened.

 

I was just there it was awesome!!!! Im not sure what "Bugger" means but it was alot of fun. The city is looking and doing great. :cheers2:

 

I gotta say ,,,, I couldnt disagree more with this statement. I dont think of any of our military people as expendable. As far as the whole "dying fighting in a war no one can justify" comment, Thats just your own opinion! Maybe you cant justify it because you have had no direct connection to the events. The military is still all volunteer nobody is forced to join.
:cheers2:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugger#Bugger_all

 

Oh, I have heard this one before. The problem I have is that it doesn't reflect reality too much...much like the interpretation by your so-called fanatics. Plus, way too many of your own prejudices for me to respond in any meaningful way...But, thanks anyway.

 

WMDs had no basis, there were NO WMDs in iraq. the iraqis destroyed their WMDs as asked, they were attacked anyway

that's not opinion

that's fact

you may not think that american military personnel are expendable but your president and his religious fanatics for friends do. after starting the war bush and his friends rarely visited a major war.

exactly how do you justify trillions of dollars on a war and rarely get your boots on the ground to see how its all going?? now bush has less responsibilities does he go to iraq to get more information? NO. after letting new orleans sink he flew over it from a great height. has he visited it recently? i would say NO.

why is it the warmongers and religious fanatics in the top echelon rarely see battle? because they see themselves more important and less expendable than the foot soldiers doing the fighting. as long as the plebs are doing the dying everything is ok, how long do you think the war would last if the idiots who started the war were dying??

i would say many americans join "voluntarily" because they have no other choice. the school system is probably screwed, the healthcare system non existent and they have no money and no real home and no other option.

 

no

this is reality

go on their websites.

actually go to israel yourself they will tell you FIRSTHAND, if you can be bothered to go and find out for yourself. this is not predujice, this fact, this is what they believe.

far right wing christians believe this part of the prophecy too, they have become brainwashed to kill and support killers in the name of jesus (go figure). exactly when and where did jesus talk about killing the people is palestine. considering that jesus (supposedly) was the son of god where does he encourage genocide and extermination??

if the fanatics remain in power the ameican people will be drained further.

 

edit: hippyforums is breaking down and disallowing edits for me at the moment!!

no

this is reality

go on their websites.

actually go to israel yourself they will tell you FIRSTHAND, if you can be bothered to go and find out for yourself. this is not prejudice, this fact, this is what they believe.

far right wing christians believe this part of the prophecy too, they have become brainwashed to kill and support killers in the name of jesus (go figure)? exactly when and where did jesus talk about killing the people is palestine? considering that jesus (supposedly) was the son of god where does he encourage genocide and extermination??

if the fanatics remain in power the ameican people will be drained further.

 

Post a few, so I know where YOU are coming from.

I accept that far-right Christians believe we are in a "Holy war."
I also accept this is the so-called reality for many other people too (including you.)
Also, how else does Al-Quaeda et all perpetuate their war with infidels, otherwise?
But, does this filter down to governments and is it reflected in real world politics? I don't think so.

Explain to me, if I went to Israel, who would tell me? Politicians?

The reality of some people does not mean this is the true reality.

How naive are you, really!
People have been killing others, in Jesus' name, for a few thousand years.
As well as Jesus, Allah too.
Jesus didn't write any of his thoughts down.
Neither has he got any say in what was written about him, is manipulated.
You seem to think our world is actually following biblical prophecies, it isn't.
If you do, you are no better than far-right Christians and Islamic terrorists.
You...are deffinitly against us.

 

matthew

just get yourself some shekels together and hop on an aircraft if this seeems to be some sort of mystery for you. it will work wonders and help you to comment on world affairs

until then you will understand nothing about world affairs as presented by FOX/ BBC etc.

reading some small books will help you too, i recommended "the fall of jerusalem" by josephus to you i think only a few months ago, have you read it yet , it is a very , very small paperback that might help you about some history in the region. i suggest you read it.

flights to israel would be relatively cheap for you in angleterre, or try cairo and cross via the sinai

bon voyage

 

odon has obviously never peeked inside any of the pages of the babylonian talmud. even many jews readily admit this is a racist set of tomes which elaborates on how goyim are subhuman and the pharises are more or less god made into flesh.

 

I wouldn't gain much doing that, to be honest.
I'd probably get as diverse opinion as I can read here, and listen to too right where I am. I can appreciate the history of the region. But, you are being fairly specific here, and involving many countries. What you have given so far is metaphor or unsubstantiated claims.
If you can't be more specific or explain your point better...not my problem.

 

right ....

so what you are telling me that despite the relative ease of getting to palestine you are not willing to go there and do some first hand research on a subject you seem to lecture upon on a regular basis? all you need is a litttle bit of money get on a flight and go and seee for yourself, i'm sure your friends will be very happy to see you and you can enjoy their hospitality at your leisure. you need to stay at least one year to get the true flavour. if that an ask then at least three months out of your busy schedule, consider it a holiday and an education.

then despite me telling you that i have been to this area and done some firsthand research and come to some conclusions these are not valid because you won't go there? whats worse is that old chestnut about supporting the war but not willing to go to it.

i wouldn't get too depressed about these things too much. the pro israel mob who post from america and other states of convenience won't and don't want to go back to palestine either, they do everything in their power to stay somewhere nice whilst suppporting the very thing that makes the place a hell hole.

i can't tell you everything odon/ matthew but it sure helps if you do some research for yourself if you want to comment on these subjects. the worse thing you will find when you start doing some research is that the bricks in the wall in your mind start crumbling and breakign down and for someone who has believed the lie it can be very disturbing and embarrassing.

in many cases its just easier to just ignore reality and go back to mouthing the garbage of the religious fanatic than thinking for yourself.

 

I have, actually.

Good grief...what are we talking about here? Biblical racist meanderings or a so-called actual "holy war"? Perhaps it has become unclear. I am talking about "Guy" talking of a "Holy War".

Guy has said this:

"you've been fighting the religious wars of the fanatics that you voted into power for so many years that you've finally got no money"

"if you vote for entities that champion religious wars guess what, they will cripple you"

"if some our friends embedded in the halls of power had suggested to washington an attack on the middle east in the name of jehovah he would have probably thrown them into a lunatic asylum.

nowadays such ridiculous notions are treated with undeserving gravitas and the country is heading towards ruin."

"good luck with your religious war on iran i hope it all works out for you."

Like I said:

"I accept that far-right Christians believe we are in a "Holy war."
I also accept this is the so-called reality for many other people too (including you - (Guy).)
Also, how else does Al-Quaeda et all perpetuate their war with infidels, otherwise?
But, does this filter down to governments and is it reflected in real world politics? I don't think so.

Explain to me, if I went to Israel, who would tell me? Politicians?

The reality of some people does not mean this is the true reality."

Guy, has also said this:

Bushs Ultimate Goals 2007:

"world domination and wiping out entire racial groups of course, have a look in the history books, within human affairs this is nothing new."

I should think him sane?

It seems to me, you do your fair share of "mouthing garbage of the religious fanatics"...I could be wrong though.

No, I didn't say your opinions are not valid. But, they always seem cloaked in your own prejudices. Nothing specific and always a tad meandering. I can't relate what you say with the real world. I suspect it is not what I think but how you think and how that transfers to your writing here. It just doesn't seem to make much sense to me. If you could be a little more clear and give a few e.gs...It might help.

If all you are talking about is a Jewish lobby pestering Obama to not go for a "two state solution" and what ever else far right wing Jewish lobbyists seem to want and what ever other far right Palestinians want...then for christ sake, just get around to saying that. It isn't that difficult, honest.

There is no plans to wage war with Iran...and If there is, is it to do with the bible? I think not.

I'm not asking you to tell me everything. Just be a tad more specific about what you do say. Stop with the analogies etc. Put your words into context with actual real life events.