Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi

Rat I am letting the UTube thing load while I sleep. Let you know when I get to see it all.

 

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yes,that was certainly enlightening.
well i for one am glad he cleared up the controversy for us..

 

Yes, so am I.

 

It also looks like he's doing extrordinarily well in Iraq right now as well. And seems to have endorsements from the Iraqi government for pulling out the troops based on his proposed time table as well. Which by coincidence is around the time their own government and social system will be organized and more efficient.

Oh, and not to mention the thousands of troops that lined up just to shake his hand and get his autograph.

 

i assure you a LOT of those troops were ordered to stand in line for the photo op..
the overwhelming majority of troops supported ron paul,,i assure you they didnt go from ron paul to obama..

 

btw,last i checked,,iraqi's didnt vote for our president,nor do any other countries citizens,so i see no reason to see that as a positive..
as matter of fact just the other day a top iraqi general came outt and said while he liked obama he had reservations about his time table for withdrawal..
im pretty sure what there military says counts a bit more than what there masses think..

 

this just in,,

http://www.bigpond.com/news/breaking/content/20080720/2308894.asp

Iraq PM 'did not back Obama troop exit plan'


July 20, 2008 - 6:00PM
Source: ABC

Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki did not back the plan of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama to withdraw US troops from Iraq and his comments to a German magazine on the issue were misunderstood, the government's spokesman has said.
Ali al-Dabbagh said in a statement that Mr Maliki's remarks to Der Spiegel were translated incorrectly.
The German magazine said on Saturday that Mr Maliki supported Senator Obama's proposal that US troops should leave Iraq within 16 months.
The interview was released on Saturday.
"US presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right time frame for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes," Der Spiegel quoted Mr Maliki as saying.
Mr Dabbagh said statements by Mr Maliki or any other member of the government should not be seen as support for any US presidential candidate.
Senator Obama is visiting Afghanistan and is set to go to Iraq as part of a tour of Europe and the Middle East.
Mr Maliki's remarks were published a day after the White House said he and US President George W Bush had agreed that a security agreement currently being negotiated between them should include a "time horizon" for withdrawal of US troops.
Mr Bush has long opposed setting a timetable for withdrawal, and the White House said the time horizon agreed by the two leaders was not as specific as a time frame pushed by Democrats and could be adjusted based on conditions on the ground.
- Reuters

imagine that,,the mainstream media misquotes someone for obamas benefit...

 

Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan: report
Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:38am EDT

BERLIN (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told a German magazine he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months.
In an interview with Der Spiegel released on Saturday, Maliki said he wanted U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible.
"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."
It is the first time he has backed the withdrawal timetable put forward by Obama, who is visiting Afghanistan and us set to go to Iraq as part of a tour of Europe and the Middle East.
Obama has called for a shift away from a "single-minded" focus on Iraq and wants to pull out troops within 16 months, instead adding U.S. soldiers to Afghanistan.
Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain, Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend who people should vote for.
"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality. Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSL198009020080719

 

what time was that published odon??i see you didnt put a date or time on the article.
if youll note,the one i just posted just came out and if youll notice the source is abc and reuters...

 

No deliberate ommission was intended. Just a juxtaposition.

I was just going to post the supposed clarification:

Following is part of a statement from an Iraqi government spokesman "clarifying" al-Maliki's remarks. The statement was issued through Centcom. I got this yesterday from NYT The Caucus and wrote a comment that it sounded like it had been written for a Monty Python skit. No sign of the comment has shown up yet. NYT is inscrutable.

"Al-Dabbagh explained that Mr. al-Maliki confirmed the existence of an Iraqi vision stems from the reality with regard to Iraq security needs, as the positive developments of the security situation and the improvement witnessed in Iraqi cities makes the subject of U.S. forces" withdrawal within prospects, horizons and timetables agreed upon and in the light of the continuing positive developments on the ground, and security that came within the Strategic Plan for Cooperation which was laid and developed by Mr. Maliki and President George Bush. The Iraqi government appreciates and values the efforts of all the friends who continue to support and supporting Iraqi security forces."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/19/iraqi-pm-backs-obama-troo_n_113751.html

You can have that on the 19th or 20th depending where you are in the world I imagine.

 

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/20/iraq-pm-not-endorsing-obama-timeframe-on-troop-withdrawal/
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/20/1210759.aspx
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/19/almaliki.obama/

 

it was already clarified in my original post but thanks for reaffirming it..

 

Haha mmmmm

 

the one article from msnbc says its "significant" that they mentioned "timetable" in there retraction..
well duh they have been talking "timetable" all fucking week with the bush administration,and that has been a supposed sticking point in the security agreement they just signed agreeing to a "time horizon" for a month now..
anything to make obama look good..
it sickens me how bias the mainstream media is and how naive people are..

 

I was finally able to watch the UTube video. The content is scary. His tone his message. He loves to compare himself to JFK, but JFK never advocated mandatory service, this guy is. And I have a hard time understanding the purpose of a civilian security force stronger and more well funded than the militiary.

Sorry it took me so long to view it. Why hasn't the other side or media jumped on this?

I agree with many of the points on this blog it brings up many of the issues that need to be addressed with his call for this sort of change:

http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml

Where's he going to find the money for this? And how does he plan to enforce his mandate? I guess with his newly formed highly paid security force.

 

I am more worried about what he want's to do in the US with his civilian security force than how the Iraqis view him.

Once a civilian security force is instituted here in the states how long before it's disbanded? Can he answer that?

 

You can be. I'm not sure how different the Iraqi government see him than they saw Bush. Judging by how a slip in translation can produce two very different stories, It would not suprise for me to learn that the media are less inclined to double check their facts when it comes to Bush. So, there might not be a noticable difference really.

His silence has been deafening, so we might be able to ignore this so-called "civilian security force", as something that will never come to pass.
I'm not going to repeat myself.
I have gone through what I think about the "civilian security force" if it is ever implemented.
You talk as if you know what a "civilian security force" will be and how it will affect the military.
Maybe you could expalin it to me.

 

So ofically we're fucked! Mc Cain is much much worse. If Obama is a screw America is lost.

 

No, not officially, as we don't know if this will even come to pass.
We don't really know what he meant.
It seems to officially not exist anymore.
Case half closed.