Obama supporters...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Michael Savage, Feb 22, 2008.

  1. SunLion

    SunLion Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Rat, wouldn't you say the same of anyone who graduated from a major US college or university?
     
  2. odon

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    It looks like he missed 21%

    Statistic: Barack Obama missed 255 of 1226 votes (21%) since Jan 6, 2005 (Exceedingly Poor relative to peers).

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
     
  3. AmandaPanda79

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    Look at the graph, notice when missing votes increased dramatically? Hmm...it's when he started running for president. Weird. Can't believe he hasn't figured out how to be in two places at once. And he wants to be commander-in-chief?
     
  4. odon

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    I don't have a prejudice for or against him.
    Alright, I think he is a jack ass.
    But, I thought I'd add his record to support others prejudice, and refute other prejudices.
     
  5. jUris

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    It’s early to tell which i would side with, but when I saw the speeches that Obama made in http://pollclash.com compare to McCain well I can say that i am leaning towards obama. Furthermore, the GOP base is not even warming up to McCain (of course, i could be wrong) and even though it's still early in the game, this just proves to show how we see our candidates to-date. i know i will get burned for this, but i think McCain is a warmonger. i get the impression that he doesn't care to what happens to our troops in the middle east and the other parts of the world. Can’t we just all get along? i think it is time for a purification; i think it is time for a change; i think it is time for obama time. Now that the candidates are set for the US Presidential Election, Barack Obama and John McCain are beginning to set the tone for their campaign.
     
  6. Creek

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    No Kidding!!! Sad But True. And That Won't Change ANYTIME Soon.
     
  7. Number6

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    I agree with you. Gun control is no longer a national issue, very few politicians even mention it anymore, except in passing or as a smear against their opponent. They have figured out the people who scream loudest about the 2nd amendment are the least likely to actually rise up against the government.
     
  8. The Scribe

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    It bothers me to an extent, but I would like to know why he missed those votes. If he missed them to campaign for the presidency, I think that is a legitimate reason. Do you know how many votes John McCain missed?
     
  9. Wasteland

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    Man, this comes out every fucking election year. Of course he missed votes, he's running for president. Any time someone runs for president, they miss things, unless they are an incumbant president.
     
  10. skip

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    This is what you are consistently WRONG about! He is in the POCKETS of the PEOPLE who have given him more than $250 million so far for his campaign. These are INDIVIDUAL donors, not PACs, not CORPORATIONS, not special interests.

    Don't you READ the facts anymore, RAT?

    Why do you consistently bring FALSE PROPAGANDA onto these threads?

    What is YOUR agenda?
     
  11. skip

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    So the TRUTH is he MADE 80% of the votes, not missed that much!

    And when you RUN FOR PRESIDENT as his PEERS aren't, you miss votes. That's a fact of life. Get OVER IT!
     
  12. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    My agenda is to use my brain to think. My agenda is to ask questions instead of blindly follow the herd like 97% of the public. I am a thinker -- not a follower, not a repeater...

    Clearly whatever information is contrary to what you want to believe is "propaganda."

    I know that Obama has received a lot of money from individual people. But how can you deny that he's funded by the corporations and banks? He's also a liar for claiming to not accept money from lobbyists when clearly he does.

    As this article accurately points out:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/martens05052008.html

    Click above link to read entire article.
     
  13. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00009638&cycle=2008

    Obama's contributors:

    MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS

    Top Industries:

    Lawyers/Law Firms: $17,370,876
    Misc Business: $13,391,968
    Retired: $10,167,470
    Securities & Investment: $8,582,811
    Education: $6,855,751

    Top Contributors:

    Goldman Sachs: $605,980
    University of California: $428,116
    JP Morgan Chase & Co: $403,407
    UBS AG: $370,130
    Citigroup: $363,454
    Lehman Brothers: $274,147
    National Amusement Inc: $265,750

    Source: Center For Responsible Government -- data through Mar. 31. For more information go to OpenSecrets.Org.

    John McCain

    Blank Rome LLP
    Citigroup
    Bank of New York Mellon
    Merrill Lynch
    Goldman Sachs
    JP Morgan Chase
    Credit Suisse
    Lehman Brothers
    Morgan Stanley
    MGM Mirage
    Univision

    Barack Obama

    Goldman Sachs
    Lehman Brothers
    National Amusements
    JP Morgan
    Exelon Energy (parent of Commonwealth Edison)
    Citigroup
    Citadel Investments
    Credit Suisse
    Skadden Arps
    Morgan Stanley
    Time Warner
    UBS
    Harvard University
    University of California
     
  14. skip

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    All this PROVES NOTHING!

    Obama has no control over who contributes to his campaign. Each of those numbers represents hundreds of individual employees who just happen to like Obama and contributed to his campaign. THEY ARE NOT CORPORATE CONTRIBUTIONS! What, just cause you work for a corporation means you can't contribute to a candidate's campaign?

    So far 1.7 MILLION PEOPLE have contributed.

    Are they ALL THE ELITE you refer to endlessly?

    No they're not. The majority of contributers, 90% in fact have donated $100 or less. That's 1.5 MILLION people. Try to count to that number, check every person, their affiliations, their biases, etc. then get back to me with REAL FACTS that MEAN SOMETHING.

    For someone who CLAIMS TO THINK FOR HIMSELF, RAT, you do precious little of it. More like you CUT AND PASTE talking points from every conspiracy website out there.

    I see little original thought in any of your posts. You visit the same websites (like Alex Jones) constantly and constantly quote the same sources.

    You adopt the opinions of others, echo them as your own and call that original thought. Jeez, Rat, I really don't believe any of it.

    Show me ONE ORIGINAL THOUGHT you have, even a conspiracy that ONLY YOU thought of, that only you have posted on the Internet.

    Then get back to me...
     
  15. odon

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    It seems to be the truth.
    No prizes for guessing why his record was mis-represented.
     
  16. skip

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    Let's do a little analysis here...

    A "worst" case scenario:

    Goldman Sachs, Obama's #1 "contributor" contributed $605,980...

    Let's say that represents 300 executives who want to influence Obama who each donated $2000.

    That total of $605,980, out of say $250,000,000, currently represents approximately 00.2% of his contributions. I guess those 300 execs will have about a proportional influence on Obama's policies. So that means what? Not much... It's not like they financed his whole campaign, is it? Not even close! In fact, you can surmise exactly the opposite.

    Because he has SO MANY CONTRIBUTORS, Obama will be far less beholden to ANY of them, and far more to ALL of them, cause without the PEOPLE, Obama would be back at work in the Senate and Hillary would be the nominee. AND HE KNOWS THIS ALL TOO WELL...

    Now let's look at the SECOND largest contributor to get a REAL PICTURE of who is supporting Obama.

    The University of California is second with $420,000 or so. Now what do you suppose THEIR bias is? What do the UC employees want from Obama? Please tell me Rat, what do all these people who can be anyone from the President of the University to a janitor ALL WANT from Obama? What is their "special interest"? Please tell us...

    You can't because they ARE THE PEOPLE. THEY WANT CHANGE. There is no one special interest they represent. Since they are likely to be highly educated, government employees their interests are likely to be as diverse as their jobs. So trying to pin some label on them is impossible.

    Likewise with ALL Obama's contributors, regardless of profession.

    Your generalizations about Obama's campaign DON'T APPLY ANYMORE when most of the fund raising is coming in donations less than $100 via the Internet.

    The whole Special Interest Group problem NO LONGER EXISTS when a President is being funded and elected by the PEOPLE as it should be.

    If you can't see that the VERY ASSUMPTIONS of the election process have been undermined by the Internet and the younger generation, then you are missing the entire point of Obama's candidacy and the movement behind it.

    It is indeed a peaceful REVOLUTION occurring, supported by the Internet, which has awakened the educated MASSES to what is really going on with their government.

    Our gov't can no longer hide behind its secrecy and conspiracies. The will of the PEOPLE shall be DONE!

    Full Disclosure: I am a former employee of the University of California and a graduate of that University too... (got a problem with that?)
     
  17. skip

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    Sounds GREAT to me! That's about the amount we've wasted in Iraq. Imagine how much GOOD that money could've done for those causes. In fact if a fraction of that amount was put towards renewable energy development, we would by now be energy independent and not needing to be in the Middle East at all!

    BTW, isn't there ALREADY an International Court?
     
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