Occupy Wall Street Movement Spreads Across the World!

Discussion in 'Occupy Movement' started by Aerianne, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    Things are getting better organized by the day here in Greensboro!
     
  2. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Michael Moore was on that asshole, Piers Morgan's show last night. He had to put up with the most ridiculous and insulting questions from Morgan and those chosen from the phone calls and twitters.

    Stupid Morgan hasn't a CLUE what is going on. He kept accusing Moore of being part of the 1%, like he has tens of millions in the bank. Moore explained how all his resources go into helping the downtrodden and poor and homeless and unemployed as well as producing his movies. He explained how the Big Corps finance his movies, and THEY make the big bucks on it, not him.

    But Morgan just didn't get it... Morgan is one of the 1% but never bothered to admit it, and that's the reason for his personal attacks on Moore. What a fucking douche bag Piers Morgan is...
     
  3. r0llinstoned

    r0llinstoned Gute Nacht, süßer Prinz

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    Just saw a sign at occupy LA that said: cops are not people :D
     
  4. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    Food for Fox.
     
  5. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    And the World is spinning, the evil weaves it's wicked web of greed, power and deceite. History repetes itself as The People take to the streets in protest of corpo-RAPE and the people suffer great hardships.

    Who is funding the Occupancy that is spreading across America. Sometimes it is the Machine greasing the great wheel to turn in their favor. As History does repete itself, we find ourselves back in the 60's where the Women's Rights Movement and Civil Rights were being funded by Rockefella.

    I see the protesters camping in new tents all the same. I see food, drink, medical, children's centers, warm clothing all given by this one or that one.

    In these times of economical downfall, the natural disasters, the wars, who has that much to give away? The corporations. The very ones that we are protesting against. You may ask why and are correct in the asking.

    What makes me feel this way is the videos I watch on youtube. There are so many and one will get lost in them. What I went through being a demonstrater ,fighting for our rights in the 60s and reliving them today.

    It is spoken by ones that are in high places. Who runs the financial world, the corporations, right? So our government is run also by the corporations. The corporations love the current system of things, the are making billions off the people's blood, sweat and tears. They would like to keep things the way they are.

    They know that the people are not inclined to re-elect the current adminatrration. To insure their survival they create cicil unrest by sending in instagaters to kickstart a Movement and pay their associates to organize protests and start riots. In the event of roiting the president can call Marshal Law and there can be no elections during Marshall Law, thereby the current addminastration would remain in office indefinatly. Which compels me to write this post.

    My question/warning is, do we know who is the real power behind the Occupancy and the motives. Not in a Conspiricy Theroy but in a ligitiment reasoning from lessons of the past. I have learned to question everything and want to know the truth always.

    Can any of this be possible, are the people being lead to the gallows by wolves in sheeps clothing.

    Please dont yell at me. I am only asking if this could be happening now. I hope not bc I want to belive this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imsD6MWgrK4"]Neil Young's Protest Music - YouTube

    sh
     
  6. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    I call bullshit...

    You do NOT only ask if this could be happening... You make the accusation of it and pass judgement.

    So, to me... the only question this post brings up... is what game you are playing at....

    In toronto, they have recieved donations from unions, from people who work in the financial industries and the like...

    They have also received many many more donations for people... just regular people... some who can't afford to eat properly, but see the chance this represents...

    Of course... that means nothing...

    Those who get there and think they are intantly going to effect the way things are run, quickly learn differently... Such as that they have no direct power, regardless of their money, experience or enthusiasm...

    At best, if they do stay around for a while and demonstrate that they are working to make things better, they still only have a say amongst others as to what is done.

    I will agree with one aspect of your post....

    It sure does make obvious the difference between what people claim they are, and what they really are....

    Funny thing about most of the occupations... when someone demonstrates that they are a mole, or working against the movements... they generally get shamed out of the gatherings...
     
  7. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    Tom, I am not playing game, these are my real concerns. I'm just asking. I lived through it once. I am vetren so to speak. I am voicing what I have seen and read. I just want to know the truth and not find out 30 years later I bought into a lie.

    I am sure that there are people giving to the cause. I do not slight their efforts in their contribution. I look, I listen, I am aware.

    One instence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA"]Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD to Aaron Russo - YouTube
     
  8. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    Well, to me... a person who is curious, or concerned about something who wants to learn something... asks...

    Somoene who is playing a game... claims to ask while pronouncing judgement.


    If this was not your intent, then you may ask why you do this, and you would be correct in asking.
     
  9. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    I would like to add that I am for any demonstration against the maddness of our government. I am caught in this trap just like everyone else. I want to see Occupy change things. You have me mixed up with someone who I am not. I like to look at all facets before I pledge my aligents to any group. I would think that everyone else would too.

    I have a right to ask. Your nit picking doesnt change that. I beleive that looking before one leaps is always the best course of action. Why do you challenge my right to ask if these things could be possible and then disrespecting my reasoning.

    Seems your atitude is part of the probelm and not part of the sulotion. I have not come to argue or fight, I just want to know the truth.

    Are my concerns not valid. Am I Not to ask and just follow the trend. We're suppose to learn from our mistakes. I dont want to keep making the same mistake in believing in something without knowing where it comes from.

    How does this make my questions invalid. We all have Hopes and Fears. I hope Occupy will bring needed change to our society but I fear it is another master plan to keep us oppressed in the long run.

    No Hate intended.

    sh
     
  10. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    I was making an observation.
    sh
     
  11. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    I don't see any signs of power behind the Movement. What do you see? Just curious.
     
  12. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    I see a lot of MONEY being spent by who knows. I see the cictizens struggling to make ends meet. I see Corporate supplies being given with corporate logos and wal-mart specials and tents and camping supplies in the winter on sale.

    Who is benefitting from this. What are the people getting. Flash bombs, tear gas, rubber bullets, baton beatings, being dragged into jails...Same thing that happened in the 60s/70s.

    I'm just courious as to who is footing the giantic bill and what part of the poeple can afford to fund it. It's a valid question if you've been through it before.

    sh
     
  13. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    Well, as someone who is actually involved, and not looking in from the outside, I see people... people who are broke... who are taking the last of what they have and supporting the movement.

    I see people who are baking potatoes and bringing them to the camps, even though that's pretty much all they can afford to eat themsleves...

    I see people who don't have proper clothes for themselves donating socks and blankets...

    I see people who don't have two pennies, spending time to support the movement...

    I also see people with jobs that have money, doing the same thing... I see people who are involved in the current system, stepping outside of it and giving money....

    I see unions which are made up of PEOPLE, giving time, money and support.

    I also see corporations and businesses donating to the cause, time, money and effort... Some of them I am positive hope they can effect the outcome to be better for them...

    What I don't see, is them getting any traction with such things... I see the people, using some of the resources tha thave been taken from them, to try to make a difference...

    Then of course...I also see those that are spreading fear and division amongst the movement.... regardless of why they are doing it....

    IT IS WRONG.
     
  14. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    This is BS, Sh. and you should recognize it for what it is. You're falling victim to corpoRAPE propaganda which seeks to paint this movement as being funded by the 1% to discredit it. I've seen it posted all over the web, but it simply isn't true.

    Go ahead and examine all the video and still images from this last week in Oakland. Seriously! Do you see ONE sign that was mass produced? Every sign I saw there was HAND MADE, not union made, not corporate made.

    Does Oakland have thousands sitting in a bank for protesters to access? Well they might soon because the NYC Occupy group had to send them $20,000 to help them buy the very necessities they need to keep occupying the city.

    The fact that YOU SH would automatically adopt the 1% lie that corporations are funding this shows that you too, have fallen into the "Conspiracy Delusion" that certain groups are trying desperately to promote to discredit the movement.

    Coming HERE to spread this corporate propaganda isn't not a good move on your part since it is the ONLY statement you have made so far, and you've only indicated mild support for the protesters. Some old hippie you are!

    Shame on you, Shameless! Somehow I expected more from you. You should go back to your old stomping grounds in SF and see what is really going on, instead of believing the BS being fostered by the MSM and whatever other conspiracy websites you visit!

    I've already had to BAN PR for posting up corporate propaganda here, against our rules. You've been warned.

    BTW, people are DONATING tents because they keep getting confiscated and destroyed by the police, but I guess you think it's all because the protesters are really the 1% themselves who have billions to buy new tents over and over, right, cause that is what your logic dictates.
     
  15. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    At the locations I have been to personally, and in video from all over, I haven't seen anything more expensive than a new tent. A lot of young people have parents with jobs, who would be willing to spring for a decent tent for a child who plans to be living outdoors for a long time. And anybody with a little creativity and access to a laser printer can make a sign that looks professional.

    If I start seeing signs of big money in this, I and a lot of other people will be quick to question the source.
     
  16. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Gee, Sh, you buy a tent and suddenly you're supporting the entire 1%!

    Why don't you READ THIS before commenting again...

    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=7042398#post7042398

    Instead of parroting the 1%'s talking points how about DONATING YOURSELF, then you'll know who is funding the movement, right?

    And if anyone tries to bullshit you with "oh they've got corporations funding them", you can tell them, no, you're one of thousands of individuals funding them...

    It's individuals from ALL OVER THE WORLD, contributing.

    From the Occupy Wall Street Website

    Donations
    The support we receive in the form of donations plays a crucial role in helping the #OWS movement succeed. Below is a list of places to send money and/or supplies that we believe are legitimate.

    Occupy Wall Street

    NYCGA General Fund & Material Donations (~$300,000 raised)
    OccupyWallSt.org Fund (~$5,000 raised, not accepting currently)
    OWSJ Print Newspaper Fund (~$75,000 raised, exceeded budget proposal)
    LiveStreaming Team (unknown amount raised)
    Other Occupations

    Occupy New Orleans (~$1,200 raised)
    Occupy DC (~$6,000 raised)
    Occupy Chicago (~$14,000 raised)
    Occupy Boston (~$25,000 raised)
    Occupy Philly (unknown amount raised)

    http://www.occupywallst.org/donate/

    What's really hilarious about this whole line of thought is that people spreading this propaganda believe that if the corporations donate something, somehow they're going to expect something in return...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's a laugh! There is NOTHING going to benefit corporations from this, unless they change the way they do business...

    Just wait until the focus comes down on individual corporations. This movement HAS THE POWER to take down corporations (one way or another), you'll see.

    Already the banks are starting to respond. Today Chase announced it will stop the debit card fees they were charging. Other banks are following suit. And we've only just begun.
     
  17. yellowcab

    yellowcab Fresh baked

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    What I have yet to see at the protest I have attended is these gigantic amounts of money everyone keeps talking about. We do get help from unions, they are paying the rent on our 2 big party tents, and when union people come to join the protest they do bring printed signs. But the vast majority of signs are handmade by the protesters themselves. Most of our little tents were dropped off by regular people who just wish to help, and had these things laying around unused. All the food is donated again by regular folks who are participating in the only way they can, local businesses are also contributing pizzas and baked goods, unused sandwiches and whatever else they can. As of last week we had about 1400$ saved up in cash donations, again by regular people driving or walking by. We also have 2port a potties that were dropped off by a couple who own a port a potty for rent business, which was awesome of them to do. I really doubt the corporations are going to fund a movement that is designed to strip corporations of their political power.
     
  18. Aerianne

    Aerianne Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Bravo!!!
     
  19. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    Skip,
    I am not buying into it by any means. I am just asking my peers here to instill my faith. It's not like the possiblity is absurd. Who the fuck knows, we might know in 30 years or so but I wont be here to know it.

    I know the Amercian People are trusting that their efforts will bring change. That standing up is always the right thing to do when it comes to our rights. The People are showing their colors and demonstrating their displeasure with how things are are degrading in our society.

    Explain how I am wrong in my thinking to believe that the 1%, that controls everything is not controlling the Occupancy Movement. I am serious. Yes, it may be my own fear that shows me both sides of agendas. Are the people that come forward with knowledge of past and present governmental agendas have any credibility or am I indeed gulable.

    I am part of the 99%. I want what is best for humanity, period.

    It is not my intent to dishonor anyone who stands up for what they believe. I am really not talking about the people. I am talking about how the government will use it to declare marshall law and withdraw our rights to assemble peacefully.

    It is now at a point where voilence is rearing it's ugly head and people are getting hurt and jailed.

    Skip, you have said in the past that the gov sends in agents to cause civil unrest and start riot. It happened in the 60s/70s and you have said it yourself.. I hear ya, I hear what everybody says. It's not bc I am a 1%er by any means. It's bc I am a free thinker and I think for myself when it comes to the decissions I make and the questions I ask to come to a conclussion.

    Anything is possible. I dont put anything past the government when it come to the sanctiny of their survival.

    They are being threatened by our out cry. They will not stop what they're doing. They will send in the military and then we are dead in the water, Marshall Law.

    We cannot win this fight with violence. We have to be peacefull or we lose. Everyone is watching, The ones that stand to lose their fortune will not give it up. We will not give it up. It's world wide.

    Know who is supplying your goods. Be peacefull and dont use weapons.

    sh
     
  20. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    I'm sorry SH, but you are asking people to MAKE you believe? Really?

    Although I don't understand why you would need someone else to make you believe in this movement... I would suggest that accusing the people of being corporate shills is not the best way to go about it.
     

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