Official Bible Interpretation Thread

Substance please.

 

I highly doubt that.

And I said you are not defending it because it is indefensible.

It was you that brought up Adam sleeping in the Bible. So why even bring it up? Why even use the Bible, if nothing it says actually applies to what you are saying?

In truth, the Bible never said that Adam imagined himself alone or even that Adam said that he was alone or without a companion. The Bible says that it was God who saw that Adam needed a companion not the other way around as you contend.

Again there is no "dream of separation" mentioned in the Bible, so as far as the Bible is concerned there is no such thing.

Yes it does. It was God that put him into the sleep he "didn't wake from" and it was God that said that the day of the creation of Man and women was good, yet you say this dream was before the creation of woman and so not only is God responsible for the sleep that resulted in the dream but also for saying for that the "dream of separation" that occurred during that day was good. So either the interpretation that you're positing is false or God is to blame.

 

Substance please

substance please

Again, I am positing an interpretation. Adam in saying finally flesh of my flesh is expressing a longing he had for a time. A longing is in fact a day dream.

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No it doesn't
It is your interpretation you are posting not the one I was taught.

 

Perhaps the 'illusion of seperation' would have been less contentious than the 'dream of seperation'.

 

Perhaps. It does answer the question if god created everything then how can he not responsible for sin, or why did god create something that could kill us, answer, say it ain't true Joe.

It is mans identification with the material that keeps his awareness "earth" bound. Mans true inheritance is creative life giving spirit, not a pile of dust as in dust to dust. We cannot serve two masters. Call no man your father.

 

But then again, it did seem to present a jolt to the system. It certainly was a jolt to my comprehension to have discovered that I had not seen one real thing in the world, that all of my assumptions and beliefs were based on a story about the world and not from my recognition of it.

 

God is described as life. The opposite of life is death. If we do not want life, then we want death, since God is life, then we also do not want God. God creates the universe using his wisdom and thought it fitting to allow those he created the choice between God or no God or Life or Death. God is the most wise, so it makes sense to allow the most wise to decide what is most wise. If not, we are declaring that we are wiser than God. Since love gives choices, we can choose to accept or not accept God's wisdom, but that may be a choice between life or death, because if we don't want God's wisdom then we also do not want God, and since God is also life, we also do not want life.

It's true, Joe

 

But death is not what we'll get even if we choose it, is it? What we'll get is neverending torture by fire.

 

I don't believe that eternal torment is biblically based, but a tradition created by falsehood. In Revelations it notes that hell will be burned up.

Hellfire in the Bible is best described as ghenna. It's a place where dead bodies are burnt up and consumed. In the same way, the person will be consumed and be removed from God and life forever. There will be no torture because God despises torture.

Hell is basically mistranslated from the word 'Sheol'. Sheol is basically the state of being dead. Ever wonder what "rest in peace" and "memorial tomb" meant? It's basically where God remembers to resurrect you. No one goes to heaven when they die. Instead, they wait to be resurrected. There is the first death (everyone gets this) and then the second death (eternal non existence, not everyone gets this).

So to quickly answer your question, yes God will give them eternal separation if they want it.

 

No, death is part of life. Unless a seed die it cannot bear fruit.

I know of no one who does not want life.

I see no evidence for this whatsoever.

What I see is man was convinced of things that were not true, "he was a liar from the beginning." After they ate the apple they saw that they were naked and were ashamed. But god said where are you, so man answered he hid ashamed and god said who told you you were naked?

That tree of knowledge of good and evil is not the knowledge of gods goodness. "I have come that the seeing may be made blind so that the blind can see."

No it ain't true. The fall of man is the fall into his own history.

 

Seperation? In your previous post you said 'death'.

 

If you have 2 apples in your hand, and then you removed the two apples into non existence, do you still have two apples? Even if the apples changes the state into particles, it is no longer in the state it used to be in and we can no longer call it an apple.

Many people commit suicide. (Kurt Cobain...)

 

I also said that death is the same as separation since God is life. When we are non existent, then how can we not be separated from life if God is life?

Paul described God as what we move in and have our being.

 

This is a hypothetical divorced not only from the issue of life and death but from reason. There is no such thing as nonexistence.

I'd be willing to bet it was seeking a better condition, fine free life.

 

Where do you see this?

They were naked and ashamed because they ate the fruit. They saw themselves as naked because they had separated themselves from Gods truth.

It was man's search to being Gods themselves and to decide for themselves what is wise.

Paul as he was traveling to kill the Christians was made blind so that could could see. Before this, Paul thought he could see (spiritual sight). This connects well imo with the idea that Adam and Eve decided for themselves what is right and wrong.

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I don't agree. It is reasonable to say that if a body dies and decomposes then that person as we known them to be no longer exists.

I don't really know what he was seeking. The only thing I can be sure of is that he was seeking death.

 

So seperation is the same as death. As in there will be a complete cessation of experience - no thought, no feeling, no sensation, no awareness. Death.

Yes?

 

Yup.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.

 

Well, that certainly isn't very frightening. No wonder fundamentalist Christians beat the 'hellfire' drum so relentlessly. How many 'converts' would they have without the threat of torture for the unflocked?

 

Good question, thought...as I do NOT think that suicide automatically comdemns one to "hellfire". I am not saying every one who takes that way out is necessarily forgiven, either. My God is merciful, understanding and knows our hearts. Surely since since (S)He knows even the number of hairs on each of our heads, we are judged individually.

I also do not take it that we'll have external fire insomuch as an internal fire and unquenched thrist, for some reason. Gnashing (grinding) of teeth is also mentioned - I think we "gnash" over regrets. I also think in "hell" that one will feel alone, and not partying with friends over a Bud, as I've read in other ppl's interpretation of hell. I think it will be total separation from God - and that (S)He will accept us until the end - but His day of judgement will come, for us all.
I didn't mean to get all on and on...