Official Bible Interpretation Thread

Serpent says she will not die from eating of the tree. The eating of the tree, using judgment as though it were knowledge, is what kills.

 

So if we are not to judge what about the statement, "do not judge by appearances, but rather use right judgment."

The world appears to us pleasant or unpleasant. People appear to us pleasant or unpleasant yet these evaluations are arbitrary according to the individual and the relative comfort of that individual. These distinctions have nothing to do with the truth of the world but arise because we are warm blooded, we have a comfort zone. Too hot is unpleasant and too cold is unpleasant, however the truth is we are not a body, call no man your father. Regardless of the evidence of the flesh, we are of spirit, not of the body. The body goes where the mind tells it.

 

I think OWB made a good point when he said it is both.

Jesus is the resurrection, not only of our spiritual liberation, but of our bodies as well.

It later describes that it represents Israel, but I think it is an excellent portrayal of a bodily resurrection.

Over here we see:

Because of sin, everyone dies, but once that wage is paid for, we are able to gain life. We gain life because Jesus paid for Adams debt, but that still means we die. What he paid for is what allows us to to be resurrected under the new Adam (Jesus) otherwise we would not be able to resurrect because we are all children of Adam. But when we die, the debt is paid for and we are allowed a second chance under the rule of Jesus' kingdom that God had given to him. Jesus is God's chosen Elohim and has given the kingdom to him (there are small elohim and fake elohim. Paul when bitten by a viper and survived was called a 'God' or an elohim).


Not everyone SLEEPS (It is used here to refer to death). Death is won over by the spiritual, and because of this some are able to gain spiritual bodies. It uses the illustration that the physical body is a seed and from that seed comes a harvest. We don't plant the seeds for the seeds. We plant them for the outcome of planting it. We gain immortal bodies upon the resurrection. "The dead in Christ will raise first" then God will raise the wicked alongside the righteous.

How can it be that some are left dead forever and that those that remain dead forever are the wicked? The wicked are also raised as well, so no one remains asleep. It seems to be saying that the true Christians will be raised first, possibly as a testament to the world who the true Christians were (perhaps they are killed by angry mobs). When Jesus was raised, it was a testament to the Jews. Since Jesus passes the torch, sort of speak, to his followers, they too may also die, but will be resurrected to be a testament to the world. I think it's to illustrate the expansion of God's kingdom. From the prophets, to THE prophet, to Jesus' followers. To one nation then to all nations.

 

Present what as yours? Your own reasoning?

Substance that what you said is "gibberish"? That is self evident.

And yes, your quote of the Bible is substance but it doesn't back up your "gibberish".

Thanks for the correction, although I was just trying to show that it was your concept not mine and not a direct quote.

Although the "Posited interpretation", that you advocate, does blame God as I've now pointed out several times.

What is to understand?

You believe that this "Posited interpretation" of the "dream of separation", that has no backing in the Bible is a Bible teaching.

You conveniently ignore anything in the Bible that disagrees with what you believe.

It was God who put Adam into "the sleep that he didn't that he wake from" as you pointed out but now seem to say that the "dream" started before that. So which is it?

If it was God who put Adam into the sleep that resulted in the "dream of separation" then God is to blame and if this is not the sleep that caused the "dream of separation" then why did you even bring it up and then where does the Bible talk of the sleep that caused the "dream of separation"?

Nice try. Leave it to you to take a true statement and use it in context that makes it "gibberish" and then pull it back out of context and try to use to make a point that is untrue.

"Been with us?" Are you part of the generation Jesus was talking about? You see, again pull you a scripture out of context and then try to interpret it and get it wrong.

Yes there is.

So?

Yes we can.

Yep but none of the above answer the point at hand.

Yes but you fail to realize that in the past, in 607 BCE and 70 CE, there really were end times. Because of these historical events, which foreshadow the coming end of this system of things, we can see that the end is not something that is just metaphorical, an intellectual exercise. In fact by actually listening to Jesus' words, Christians were able to save themselves from a very real and historical destruction, in 70 CE, by actually fleeing to the mountains. Just as today we can save ourselves and others from a very real destruction by listening to Jesus' words.

 

If you only know God's love then how can you speak of romantic love? Wouldn't that mean you know nothing about it?

God made and gave Eve to Adam, that seems to indicate that God had nothing against romantic love.

I should hope not but everyone to their own tastes.

Anyway what has this to do with how the Bible uses the word love.

Okay, just wondering.

 

Conclusions

No, I do not believe that the bible teaches. It is a teaching of the holy spirit
for the spirit of those that can hear and it speaks as loud as the willingness to listen.

Absolutely not true. Everything in the bible has a position in this interpretation. You are not in a position to rate my level of attention to anything.

Again, God didn't do anything to anybody. The second creation story is mans history, HIS STORY. The first creation story is the true creation story.
To say that god sanctions this or condemns that is the ego's way of wresting control. Of making it okay to do inhumane things to each other in the name of god, for personal advantage.

Again, if you are going to say that I am wrong, provide another interpretation for the words.
Jesus was talking about the cries of the people for remedy and the fact that god had sent many prophets and performed many wonders in everyone's life and no one sees.

If we were awaken to this moment we would see god in the world. This is what Jesus is talking about when he says to be watchful, even in the middle hours of the night. We are being watchful for gods kingdom. We seek, and we find. To forgive releases us from time, the past, so that we can see the present in a new light. This seeking with all our attention, produces visionary states of consciousness. We all have the capacity to do this. The difference between Jesus and ourselves is that he saw nothing but his father. Only his father is true, he recognized no witness in the world.

I'm not failing to realize anything. The temple in Jerusalem was destroyed and
the potential for end of age is always just a tick away.

 

I used to believe the cultural notions I was taught about love, now I see that there is only one love, God is love, god is the only measure.

Again, only the egotistical believe that god takes their side over someone else. What could god be for or against he is the creator. He is for everything and everything is his. God is love. Adam and eve are second creation story.
We are as god created us, in his own likeness and image male and female, principle together in one spirit, not body.

It doesn't. It has to do with what the holy spirit teaches about love.

 

There aren't but that doesn't mean that a Scripture has to mean what you want it to mean for it not to be a idle phrase.

First this is the definition of a dream not a daydream, which is what was being discussed..

And second it only shows that one of the definitions of dream has to do with longing and does not prove that all dreams are longing or that all longing are dreams.

The above does neither as I just pointed out.

Perhaps but then statements that are as contradictory as yours are hard to assess.

 

Simple, mankind chose to sin and thus God is not responsible for sin.

I'll try to make it as simple as possible for you.

A kitchen knife can kill you but it was not made for that purpose. As long as it is used properly it will never kill you.

Perhaps you would find living in a padded cell interesting but personally I would rather live among the many wonders of the world that God has provided for us to enjoy, many of which can kill you but were not intended for that purpose.

 

It appears you are more interested in trying to prove yourself right than in the truth.

 

It seems you are still trying to defend the father of the lie.

 

Huh?

Nothing kills, people die. If people choose sin, they choose death. If they are responsible for death then they must be responsible for life as well, so just exactly what did god create if he's not responsible for either death or life? Your reasoning is not simple as you portray. God does not create the perishable, god is love. Either make the tree good and it's fruit good or make the tree bad and it's fruit bad.

Remember, do not be afraid of those that can kill the body.

 

A day dream is a dream that occurs during the day, or when you are presumably awake. We may be apparently stone cold asleep and still walk and talk and appear to reason. Have you ever seen someone who is hypnotized?

All longing is a focus not on the present, we only long for things that are not present. To hold an image in your mind that is not present is a form of imagination or dreaming.

My statements are not contradictory of themselves, only contradictory to your version of events. If you can demonstrate to me that this is not so then I will have been informed. and thank you again for discussing things with me.

 

I not sure how to interpret this statement. It doesn't appear to address the content of the statement only comment on what you think my motive is.

If you ask me my motive I will tell you it is to share what is taught to me by the holy spirit as regards the sayings in the bible. If you ask the people who know me, you would see how ridiculous your statement is in regard to me.

 

I say it is eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that kills and you say I am defending a lie, I don't get it. Further waterbrother your comment here is not edifying to anyone. It has no substance relative to the issue of bible interpretation.

 

How can it be both. Those who are sleep-dead in Christ do have hope. Those who were sleep-dead before Christ who died in fedelity with God had hope.

It is contradictory to say it is both.

It cannot be sleep-death. Those in sleep-death who died in faith have hope. To say all the dead have no hope is incorrect.

 

Okay, your conclusions.

I know your don't that is why your "posited interpretation" is so far from what the Bible teaches.

It is not a teaching of the Holy Spirit, because if it was it would agree with what is written in the Bible and it doesn't as I've pointed out these many times.

I've many times pointed out where almost nothing in your "posited interpretation" is backed by the Bible.

I'm not rating your level of attention, just pointing out that not much of what you say has anything to do with what is written in the Bible and when the fact is pointed out that there is much in the Bible that disagrees with what you say, you frequently change the subject.

It is written in the Bible that he did.

Okay even if I agree with you that it is mans history, does that mean that it is untrue?

So God has no opinion on what goes on in the universe he created?

No, humans deciding for themselves what is right and wrong rather than listening to what God says on the matter is what leads people to do "inhumane things to each other in the name of god".

No further interpretation is needed, just look at who Jesus was talking to and what he was saying to them.

Jesus was doing no such thing, after mentioning the virtues of John the Baptizer, Jesus turns attention to the proud, fickle people who are around him. “This generation,” he declares, “is like young children sitting in the marketplaces who cry out to their playmates, saying, ‘We played the flute for you, but you did not dance; we wailed, but you did not beat yourselves in grief.’”

What does Jesus mean? He explains: “John came neither eating nor drinking, yet people say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of man did come eating and drinking, still people say, ‘Look! A man gluttonous and given to drinking wine, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’”

It is impossible to satisfy the people. Nothing pleases them. John has lived an austere life of self-denial as a Nazirite, in keeping with the angel’s declaration that “he must drink no wine and strong drink at all.” And yet the people say he is demonized. On the other hand, Jesus lives like other men, not practicing any austerity, and he is accused of excesses.

How hard to please the people are! They are like playmates, some of whom refuse to respond with dancing when other children play the flute or with grief when their fellows wail. Nevertheless, Jesus says: “Wisdom is proved righteous by its works.” Yes, the evidence—the works—make clear that the accusations against both John and Jesus are false.

I see God in the world and didn't have to "awaken to this moment" to do it.

Yes, Jesus does tell us to be watchful, watchful for God's kingdom but not because we are in some "dream of separation" but because the Kingdom will come as a thief in the night, at an hour we do not know.

Nothing written in the Bible indicates that forgiveness releases us from time or the past.

Nothing written in the Bible even vaguely indicates this.

Do what? Produce visionary states of consciousness? Yeah, if you do enough drugs.

There are many differences between Jesus and ourselves, not the least of them being that he was perfect in a way no other human at this time can be and that the was God's only begotten son.

So you say but you keep indicating that a "potential" exists but you deny the reality of it. To you it is one of those things that could possibly maybe happen but it's more likely just some kind of metaphor for something altogether different. Well the truth is it has happened in the past and according to the signs Jesus gave, it is soon to take place again.

 

But you said you only know God's love. Now you are saying you know romantic love as well?

God doesn't take sides? So God was on the side of the Scribes and Pharisees as well as on Jesus' side?

Yes, God is love, the rest is a denial of what is written in the Bible.

We are as God created us, except for the fact we are sinners. God didn't create us that way.

Again you toss aside what was written under inspiration to listen to what disagrees with that inspiration. A house divided against it self will not stand.

 

The bible does not speak for me and it does not speak for you.
You are the salt of the earth, if the salt has lost it's saltiness then it is no good for seasoning.

You are not the holy spirit

You have not pointed out where the bible disagrees with what I say. What you have pointed out is that your interpretation of the words in the bible is different from what the holy spirit teaches me. Waterbrother, the bible may be useful but it is not enough.
Matt;16 13-17 "Now when Jesus came into the district of caesarea philippi, he asked his disciples, who do men say the son of man is, and they said some say John thBaptist, others say ellijah, and others jeremiah or one of the prophets. and he said to them but who do you say I am. Simon peter replied you are the christ the son of the living god and Jesus answered blessed are you Simon Barjona! for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father who is in heaven."

That things happen is not untrue. The way men couch the cause of these happening is untrue in relation to gods version. God created men good by his own measure. What God creates is truly created, what god gives is truly given. What god created good does not suddenly become bad, but a man will love you one day and curse you the next because he does not know what he is doing.

It is good.

I suggest you listen to god then rather than look it up.

Yes, he was

You do not recognize god in his children.

We are forgiven as we forgive. Yes, forgiveness releases us from the debts we incur in time.

"This kind requires much prayer and fasting."

This visionary states are what makes miracles. " These things you shall do and things greater than these."

That he acknowledged his father and only him is what stands him in the center of the sonship.

To say that the potential exists in every moment is to affirm the reality of it, not to deny it. "No one knows the hour."

You are mistaken about what it is for me. Again, you do not speak for me, you speak against me. It is always "soon to take place"

 

You may read it again, that is not what I said.

God loves his creations period.

This statement is self contradictory on the face of it. If we are as god created us, we cannot be unlike what god created.

Your interpretation of gods children does not stand the test of truth. See above.