Official Bible Interpretation Thread

Your contribution may or may not include death. As I am healed all are healed.
The only thing that can be lacking in any situation is what I have not given.
If there is a need, it is for something that I have withheld from the whole spirit,
(holy spirit). We all dance a dervish dance and speak the whirlwind.

 

I'm buzzed now. Did you just call me dope, thedope? Dropped in a comma there. It's okay if you did, I don't mind - sometimes I feel dope, sometimes I feel like a dope, and sometimes I feel doped.

 

I agree with you that something definitely continues when we die. But that verse seems to imply that the soul itself dies due to sin and it associates the soul with the person, meaning, we are the soul. And since everyone sins, we all die because the wages for sin is death.

 

Genesis does say Adam came to be a living soul not that he was given one.

 

I tend to lean towards OWB on this one.

Our bodies are not merely shells that we one day wish to shed. God created our bodies and souls to be together.


Def:

Without getting too deep into philisophy, I think we may be using the term "person" differently. Remember, I agree that there is one God, but that it exists in three distinct persons (not nor ever "people").

Likewise, def, you are one person but with two distinct aspects--the soul and the physical. We are not our soul, but our soul is us. When I say that we die, I mean that our body dies, not our person. Also there is the thought that "death" can be used to mean in a state of sin or in a full rejection of God's love.

Like "dead faith" which is esentially no faith, a "dead soul" is one with no love for God in it.

 

I was referring to my user name. (is this a pun?)

 

LOL, knew you were searching my every move.

 

You really are so right, OWB. I mean like, duh, huh?.

I appreciate your finding that scripture...and I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't think/realize it must have been an "imposter"...since the prediction(s) were in err.
Just as changing the word(s) of emphasis in the second scripture.

So, when we die physically, our souls are "asleep" and we won't be aware of anything...until the final judgement. Is that what you believe? Do I have it about right? I'm serious...I also am not familiar with She'ol. My bible does refer in Ecclesiastes 9:10 not to She'ol, but to "in the grave, whither thou goest".
I guess I have been guilty of being "lazy" in regards to forming a precise idea about what will happen when I shed this physical body. I've just always believed that the soul, the essence of me, will be on the other side with God.

 

Your soul will not be in a grave. That would be pointless. My opinion.

 

For someone who seems so picky about semantics, You should know that this means that if you only know God's love, then you know nothing of "romantic love" but you go on to speak of it as if you knew it, which is contradictory.

Science says that every thought and emotion we have is the "result of brain chemicals".

As for romantic love being a "mindless attraction", it can be but not always.

Again with the semantics. Yes, it is your answer but what I was pointing out is that it does not seem to be any kind of a direct answer to the actual question asked.

It's a little like be asked if you think it's going to rain today and answering by saying my dog is black, which may be true, and is an answer put really does not answer the question.

No it isn't, it is just that you have no understanding of what it means to be created or how free will operates.

Ever hear of erosion, earthquakes, volcanoes, continental drift or the flood of Noah's day?

Science seems to disagree with you, what we believe can have profound a profound affect on who we are.

I little slow in reading ability today?

You said; "Your interpretation of gods children does not stand the test of truth" to which I said; "It does not stand the test of what you believe to be the truth" thus saying that my "interpretation" does stand the test of truth, just not what you believe to be the truth.

Erosion, earthquakes, volcanoes and continental drift are not reality and are just my opinions? Now who has lost touch with reality?

 

I have experienced romance, but I know only one love. I've found that "romance", is the ego's substitute for love.

Not exactly.
Philosophy of mind is a branch of modern analytic philosophy that studies the nature of the mind, mental events, mental functions, mental properties, consciousness and their relationship to the physical body, particularly the brain. The mind-body problem, i.e. the relationship of the mind to the body, is commonly seen as the central issue in philosophy of mind, although there are other issues concerning the nature of the mind that do not involve its relation to the physical body.
Most modern philosophers of mind adopt either a reductive or non-reductive physicalist position, maintaining in their different ways that the mind is not something separate from the body. These approaches have been particularly influential in the sciences, especially in the fields of sociobiology, computer science, evolutionary psychology and the various neurosciences. Other philosophers, however, adopt a non-physicalist position which challenges the notion that the mind is a purely physical construct. Reductive physicalists assert that all mental states and properties will eventually be explained by scientific accounts of physiological processes and states. Non-reductive physicalists argue that although the brain is all there is to the mind, the predicates and vocabulary used in mental descriptions and explanations are indispensable, and cannot be reduced to the language and lower-level explanations of physical science. Continued neuroscientific progress has helped to clarify some of these issues. However, they are far from having been resolved, and modern philosophers of mind continue to ask how the subjective qualities and the intentionality (aboutness) of mental states and properties can be explained in naturalistic terms.

Further I would like to point out that we were not created with physical bodies but as creative principle, spirit. Jesus says, from the beginning it was not so, we were as the angels.

Yes always. We have no "explanation" for our attraction.

You may characterize my answer however you wish, it is still my answer.

ok

You don't know what will is.

why yes I have

Like I said belief has nothing to do with who you are. Belief is a way you use your brain. The way you use your brain has an effect on experience.

I guess I am. I still don't understand your statement.

Prove it.

Things that are always with us.
Like I say you have not pointed out reality just your opinions on the subject.

 

See, that is my thought, too. Also, to bring up a subject totally not discussed here (but is occasionally brought up in the bible)...what about ghosts?

I think they choose to be here, for the most part. Unless they don't understand what has happened or commit suicide and have to finish something here (which would be pretty darn hard as a spirit, imo). Also, if I were "afraid" of judgement or the light or whatever, I guess I would be more likely to hang around.

I also think through dreams those on the other side are able to communicate with us.

In the bible there are many, many examples of where dreams were "something" indeed - from Daniel being able to interpret the King's dream(s) to Pilate's wife warning him against allowing Jesus to be crucified from a dream she'd had...

Although both of those examples were dreams of warning, they can be so much more...imo anyway. What do you think? What does anybody think?

 

I've never seen a ghost as far as I know. Thankfully. I think I'd be frightened. Maybe not as much so now (in my mature years) but when I was younger it probably would have freaked me out.

Having said that, I can tell you that I have had one experience that science cannot presently explain. I've had people give me 'possible' explanations for my experiemce but they're wrong - they just won't believe it. I think it scares them. It scared me. I was 20, not on any drugs but with maybe 3 beers in me. In those days I could drink a lot so I was sober. Very sober. Long story short - don't mess around with seances. This one was a very impromptu session that just arose from a quiet social get-together with friends. There were 7 of us, 3 guys, 4 chicks. Aged 18-22. No drugs. We cut up little pieces of paper and wrote letters and numbers on them and placed them in a circle on a coffee table. We used an overturned glass as the contact point upon which we rested our fingers. My girlfriend's best friend conducted - she was the only one who was there without a mate, having just broken up with her boyfriend of 5 years two weeks before. We got contacted. I refused to believe it was genuine and openly mocked the seance and taunted the so-called spirit. After a few minutes of that, I stopped. Something happened that convinced me of the genuineness of unseen force. Note that I still don't say conclusively that we had a spirit there. But something that conventional science doesn't or won't confirm did happen. A spirit is the most logical explanation (weird to say) considering the activity in which we were engaged.

It frightened me enormously, and still does when I think about it. It took away the rational, comfortable world view that I had come to rely on. The one that teaches us that there are no monsters in the dark - the ones I was so scared of as a child. The religion that I had always rebelled against and gave absolutely no shrift in day-to-day life (not even at Christmas) became disquieting to me as the notion of unexplained phenomena suddenly crashed into my notion of reality. The normal brick and mortar reality.

I didn't deal with it very well.

 

I grew up in a house, which I now find myself living (again - I escaped for a time - lol)
in which I just have always known there were spirits, and in adulthood have even discovered that where I live has been referred to as haunted. I always knew the old "family" home, way behind and diagonal to us, was haunted. Even my older mother has always referred to it as "oh, the haunted hause"...we always knew the haints there ain't nice.
I've seen things, plural, that truly defy explanation...yet I knew what I have gone through, what I have seen was real. In my mind I see it as just a small, wee leap to go from restless or earthbound spirits (which my brother felt in childhood. too) to a Higher Power - one which All Things - even the thangs aloose in the house had to answer to.
Thank God I was right - in claiming the blood of Jesus, they had to obey.
Now things around are fine, too many cats and an emotionally disturbed border collie.

I found that in coming back to live here, I had to uinderstand...research, and fight fire with fire. Know what I mean? God is very powerful, especially when calling for his help and strength aloud - and dealing with the unknown, that is unknown entities.

 

Let’s take a look at your post.
You quote me as saying;

And now this is suppose to be some kind of a response to it;

The bible does not speak for me and it does not speak for you? Where, in my quote that you cited, did I say anything about the Bible speaking for me or for you? I merely pointed out that the Holy Spirit would not teach something that disagrees with the bible and this obscure comment is some how is a response to that?

Now you quote me saying;

(the highlighting is yours)
Then you say in response;

Duh, neither are you but that doesn’t change the fact that almost nothing in your "posited interpretation" is backed by the Bible and that I've many times pointed that out to you.

You keep saying that what I point out is my “interpretation” but in fact I mostly just quote the Bible to show that what you say is in direct conflict with what the Bible says. And your response is that it is my “interpretation” but how can it be my “interpretation” if all I did was quote the Bible?

As for the Bible not being enough, enough for what? It may not be enough for you to prove your “dream of separation” true but it is enough for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

God’s version? The Bible is God’s version and that would include what you call “man’s version”

God’s opinion of the universe is that it is good?
And yet your "posited interpretation" of the “dream of separation” exists in this universe and is troubling mankind. So does God think this “dream of separation” is good?

I do listen to God, I just don’t listen to “god” as you suggest. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

I give you a rather lengthy explanation of what Jesus was doing, that shows the context, who he was talking to, why and how with his following comments he further explains what he is talking about and this is the best you can come up with? Yes, he was.

Oh, I recognize god in his children and I also recognize God in his children.

I guess this makes some kind of sense as an answer to you but I think I’ll stick to what was written, much like Jesus did.

Well, it seems that you don’t believe reading things in context is important.

"This kind requires much prayer and fasting.", is talking about expelling demons, not visionary states of consciousness.

And as for; “This visionary states are what makes miracles. " These things you shall do and things greater than these.", no, visionary states do not make miracles, God makes miracles and does not need visionary states to make them.

And the Scripture you quote, in context, is not talking about visionary states.

What stands him “in the center of the sonship” is that he is the only begotten Son of God, something you still seem to have trouble saying.

No, to say to the potential exists does not affirm the reality of it, it merely affirms the possibility of it, as opposed to the actual reality of it. When God prophesies that something will happen in the future or that it is "soon to take place", we are assured of its reality not of it’s potential.

No, it is not “always” soon to take place. What escapes your notice is that God’s judgments have taken place in the past and will take place again. (2 Peter 3:3-7)

 

OWB:

I must be a child, because this sentence confuses me.

 

I have a couple of kitties myself. Are yours sensitive to these 'beings' with which you live?

 

Okay, in your opinion, what causes death?

God.

Yes, creations with the ability to chose their life course.

So you say.

Sin is missing the mark not an error in perception.

God is not one to be mocked.

Egotistical men like Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

You would like to think God does not pick sides and probably would like others to think so as well, just as you would like to think that Satan and the demons don't exist but they they do and God is not on their side.

I guess just like the egotistical men Abraham, Moses and Jesus did.

Yes but pointing out that energy is not perishable doesn't show that the things God created with it don't ever perish does it and that is what we are talking about isn't it?

Yes, fruit is good for propagation but it is not always good for human consumption.

If that is what you want to do, fine, just don't include me by saying we.