Official Bible Interpretation Thread

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"Satan and the demons". Sounds like a band. I bet God hangs with them ALL the time.

The luxuries of being the loneliest prick alive I guess.

lol

 

Where's the love, man, where's the love?

What's to prove? You said:

You admit that "A day dream has differing qualities than a night dream", you admit that "When dreaming at night our bodies enter a state of rigidity and we cannot move" and yet you say that "When we dream in the daytime, our attention to this moment enters a state of rigidity as we are able to move around, bumping into things because of inattention to our surroundings" which again show a difference between that two, seeing as in night dreaming we can not move in day dreaming we can. And after all that, you still say they are the same thing. About the only thing you say the two have in common is "inattention to our surroundings" which is not really all that similar, since in night dreaming there is total "inattention to our surroundings" and in day dreaming there is at best only partial "inattention to our surroundings".

Well dang, I didn't know that.

Well let's see. You said:

Reading comprehension problem or no, you seem to be saying exactly what I said; "there is no relationship between dreaming and hypnosis".

As for "the similarity between hypnosis and dreaming is the rapt attention on something other than the present moment", night dreaming takes place while you are asleep and conscious of nothing so how is that rapt attention?

I keep pointing it out and keep providing substantiation but you keep saying the same thing "it's not contradictory", in your world that may be true but in the real world when you say two things that mean the exact opposite, they are contradictory.

 

It is interesting that you completely ignore the fact that Jesus himself was not in paradise that very day and could not have been in paradise with him that day, no matter how Jesus expressed it.

Which makes your comment about what you would do, superfluous at best.

 

God is helping us work on that.

God originally purposed for mankind to live forever and that is still God purpose for mankind. But there are those who will chose not to live forever and God will not stand in their way and thus their life will end and that means nonexistence, not everlasting life in torment.

 

I guess so, in a way but not as most think of it.

 

So which version of the bible is this supposedly the official interpretation for out of curiousity?

 

It is another way of saying that we are the salt of he earth, we have to decide what course we take. The bible does not say one word. We read it, we interpret it and hopefully the holy spirit is with us when we do so. The way you present your position makes you right and everyone else wrong because as you say, "this is what the bible says." I don't know why you can't see that you set yourself in a position apart in arrogance. It is fine for me that you interpret things the way you do. Your relationship to god is in secret between you and god, and the abundance of your heart comes out in your speech. However not everyone can abide by your interpretation and just because this is so does not make them godless.
Matt:19 11&12
Not all men can receive this precept, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this let him receive it.

I am able to receive it by virtue of the holy spirit. No I am not taking the saying out of context. The sayings are universal in their application. In fact, if they are not used in every situation then the sayings are not used.

You know my position on this statement. I have a consistent interpretation of the sayings as given me by the holy spirit for the holy spirits' intention, not my own. What you told me many times is that your interpretation is the only one that is true.

Ditto above waterbrother. An example of you interpreting the bible is how you couch the saying on the cross: "truly I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."

 

I like to use the original Hebrew word She'ol that is translated as Hell and grave, when talking about the subject because the word Hell has a lot of what I would call, unscriptural connotations, which seem to interfere with the discussion. She'ol has the meaning of grave or the common grave of mankind.

I believe that when we die, it is like going into a dreamless sleep and God has us "remembered" so that we can be resurrected just as we were, when the time comes. It will be like we went to sleep and the next morning we wake up on the the promised paradise earth. Almost all will be resurrected and given a second chance, minus the Adamic sin.

I can give you the scriptures that I think support this, if you want but I just wanted to try and make it easier to understand without chopping it up with a lot of scriptural quotes.

 

Why do you say he was not in paradise that day. Were you with him for three days? Did he not appear to the disciples in a glorified state? The statement is only superfluous to you because it does not fit with your interpretation of what happens at death.

 

And that would be that souls are not concious as well?

 

In the way that you apply the sayings, in living contexts, contexts of our conversation with each other.

Enough to learn all things. We need the holy spirit to teach us all things.

The bible is written by inspired men, and canonized by fearful men. There are two creation stories in it, one god's version, creating man in his own image and likeness, male and female, juxtaposed against mans version, how it appears to him, that he is made of dust returning to dust.

God hears the lament of his children, but what they cry over is only a dream.
They do not see the world as god created it and what god created is real.
The world that sins vision sets forth is not the one god created and we find ourselves contending with nightmarish intractable problems.

"In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the likeness of god.
Waterbrother the gospel of Christ is not a written word but a living word. There was no "written gospel of the glory of Christ" at that time. The letter he is writing becomes, in the future, a collection of sayings.
Note that man is created in the likeness and image of god as well Christ is created in the likeness of god. Let the mind that is in Christ Jesus be in you also.

Just not a long winded response. Take it as you will.

Life is always the context.

Yes is talking about visionary states of consciousness and attitude of deep meditation and fasting is a practice that produces altered states of consciousness.

The visionary state that accomplishes miracles is the mind that is in Christ Jesus. That mind is the mind of the sonship in god. God is the source of that mind inspiring the love that heals.

Christ is the only begotten son of god, not the person Jesus. He who believes in me believes not in me but the one who sent me.

If there is a possibility, given enough time the laws of probability insure that it will emerge. In time Jesus draws all men to himself.

Do you not notice then that god's judgment is always in effect?
Very glad you brought this up, "For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation.

 

Physical death is a life process of metabolic exchange, (mammon). The sinful death is seeing the body as our source, we become entangle or attached to our sensational conditions.
How much would I struggle to keep my physical body if you held my head underwater? Would I kill someone to protect the body of a loved one? I don't know, but mastery is to pick your life up and lay it down at will.

 

Does that mean people who are blown up are resurrected as dismembered bodies or do babies get resurrected a s babies to face gods judgment? What does"as we were mean?"

 

If the measure we give is the measure we get then the only thing that can be absent from any situation is what we have not given. The only love we know is the love that we give with our own heart, the love that flows through us as we are created in the likeness and image of god who is love.

Which is exactly enough. Inattention to our surroundings is missing the sign. We see a weather front coming and we say it's going to rain.

When you are conscious of dreaming are you thinking of something else? Isn't the dream at night a state of attention? Isn't that attention "rapt" in that the waking world is not visible, you react but take no action.

No you are making your arguments by asking questions and I am answering the questions.

 

As you quote my statement the hypnotic sleep is unlike the state preceding and during normal sleep, as opposed to dream sleep. Preceding sleep and during as in the state of lapsing into unconscious sleep.

 

I can't speak for everyone because some would have their personal favorites that they mostly use. But I would use all 'versions' of the Bible, seeing as they all contain the same message. So far, I've used all 'versions' of the Bible while replying to comments.

The term version is misleading. It's more accurate to call it a translation.

All versions are accepted in this thread, in short.

 

He means version of interpretation not translated version.

 

From what I gathered, I think he meant which version of the Bible (KJV, NIV, NASB) we are using to gather our interpretations from.

 

It's funny, I gathered that this is what you gathered. It is not my place to speak for rudenoodle but I noticed that you suggested he change his wording to better state what he meant and I am thinking perhaps he said what he meant to say.

 

I've recently been enjoying reading the New Testament by first reading a verse from King James and then the same verse from Young's Literal Bible. A little less poetic is Young's but interesting to see an exact (or close to) translation.