oh.. i thought building 7 WASN'T a controlled demolition.

The government took advantage of 9/11. So are CT's trying to sell books. You all by it because it fits into your world view.

well the proof is usualy in the pudding! are you saying that they didn't take advantage of 9/11? do you buy what your told by the government tells you because it fits into your world veiw? do you beleive that the government would never lie? do you beleive they would never hurt or purposfully allow citizens to be hurt?

 

From the BBC article rat posted:

(Note: An update on this story was published in October 2006 in the BBC News editors' blog)

n an effort to make this clearer, we have made one small change to the original story. Under the FBI picture of Waleed al Shehri we have added the words "A man called Waleed Al Shehri..." to make it as clear as possible that there was confusion over the identity. The rest of the story remains as it was in the archive as a record of the situation at the time. We recently asked the FBI for a statement, and this is, as things stand, the closest thing we have to a definitive view: The FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Also, the 9/11 investigation was thoroughly reviewed by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and the House and Senate Joint Inquiry. Neither of these reviews ever raised the issue of doubt about the identity of the nineteen hijackers.

 

No. the government lies all the time.

Your evidence is simply facile. I don't believe what you say simply because I don't believe what the government says.

 

lol ok neil sorry!lol but i wonder if luise played the trumpet on the moon woul it make a sound? lol?

 

Right. Kind of like Bush & Co. were saying they were "confident" Iraq had WMD's when they didn't.

 

I never gave any evidence!

 

lode, there were 4 questions in post 161, care to respond to the outher 3?

 

That's my point.

Nobody can convince you you're wrong about any sort of fact regarding 9/11.

The FBI is lying because they lied about other things and belong to the conspiracy.

The BBC lied in it's retraction because it belong to the conspiracy.The initial story was correct because it fit your world view.

The father lied because he had been bought off by the conspiracy.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020929001039/www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=9424&ArY=2001&ArM=9&ArD=17

There brother lied on Dateline because he had been bought off by the conspiracy.

Nothing can convince you that this man isn't alive somewhere. Not even the fact that you might be looking for two men.

 

It seems a bit asinine.

But okay:

They took advantage of 9/11

I do not buy what the government tells me. I read and assess a situation regarding the most likely answer. In this case, Occam's Razor is a good place to start.

The government lies a lot.

The government hurts people a lot.

 

therefore you beleive in conspiricies would you agree?

 

Lode,

They cannot even provide the evidence that the alleged hijackers even had anything to do with 9/11. NONE WHATSOEVER! Why do you expect people to believe the government story based on faith alone, when that government has lied over and over and over and over again? Even FBI director Muller admitted that his case against the alleged 19 would never stand up in a real court of law.

So what do we know about the hijackers? We know several of them have reported to be alive. We know many of them were trained on US military bases, and we know they had their expenses paid for by the US government. We know that, far from being Muslim fanatics, people like Mohammed Atta loved snorting cocaine, having sex with prostitutes, eating pork, drinking alcohol, and visiting strip clubs. There are so many sides to the official story that do not add up that it's not even funny.

These alleged 19 hijackers have PATSY written all over them.

 

The FBI investigation into the attacks, code named operation PENTTBOM, was able to identify the 19 hijackers within days, as they made little effort to conceal their names on flight, credit card, and other records.[7] Identical handwritten letters (in Arabic) were found in three separate locations: the first, in a suitcase of hijacker Mohamed Atta that did not make the connection to the American Airlines Flight 11 that crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center; the second, at Washington Dulles International Airport, in a vehicle that belonged to hijacker Nawaf al-Hazmi; and the third at the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Translations indicate that the hijackers were willing to die.[8] Rescue workers sifting through the tons of rubble discovered a passport belonging to one of the hijackers, Satam Al Suqami[citation needed], a few blocks from the World Trade Center;[9] a passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.[10][11][12] According to the 9/11 Commission, the passports of two of the hijackers Flight 93 were also found intact at the crash site, and the passport of hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari was found in Mohamed Atta’s left-behind luggage.[10]

The Washington Post reported that by checking flight manifests and comparing them with other information, like watch lists, customs officials were able to find the names of all 19 hijackers by 11:00 a.m.[13] When examining Mohamed Atta's left-behind luggage, the FBI found important clues about the hijackers and their plans. His luggage contained papers that revealed the identity of all 19 hijackers, and provided information about their plans, motives, and backgrounds.[14] The FBI was able to determine details such as dates of birth, known and/or possible residences, visa status, and specific identity of the suspected pilots. However, none of these documents have been scrutinized by independent legal experts.[15] On September 27, 2001, the FBI released photos of the 19 hijackers, along with information about the possible nationalities and aliases of many.[16]

[edit] Witness reports of hijackers

Further information: Organizers of the September 11, 2001 attacks

While the hijacking was in progress, two flight attendants on American Airlines Flight 11, Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney, contacted airline personnel on the ground and identified Mohamed Atta al-Sayed as one of five individuals who had hijacked the plane.[17][18]

A flight attendant on United Airlines Flight 175 called a United airline mechanic and reported that hijackers had killed the crew.[18]

While the hijacking was in progress on American Airlines Flight 77, several passengers, including a flight attendant, Renee May, contacted and reported details of the hijacking to persons on the ground.[19] Sales clerks identified two individuals to whom they sold tickets on Flight 77 as the hijackers Hani Hanjour and Majed Moqed.[18]

During the hijacking of United Airlines Flight 93, Jeremy Glick identified the hijackers as Arabic-looking and carrying knives.[20][21]

[edit] Assigning responsibility

The investigators were quickly able to link the 19 men to the terrorist organization al Qaeda, by accessing their intelligence agency files. The New York Times reported on September 12 that: "Authorities said they had also identified accomplices in several cities who had helped plan and execute Tuesday’s attacks. Officials said they knew who these people were and important biographical details about many of them. They prepared biographies of each identified member of the hijack teams, and began tracing the recent movements of the men." FBI agents in Florida investigating the hijackers quickly "descended on flight schools, neighborhoods and restaurants in pursuit of leads." At one flight school, "students said investigators were there within hours of Tuesday’s attacks."[22] The Washington Post later reported that "In the hours after Tuesday’s bombings, investigators searched their files on [Satam] Al Suqami and [Ahmed] Alghamdi, noted the pair’s ties to [Nabil] al-Marabh and launched a hunt for him."[13]

As media covered the 9/11 attacks unfolding, many quickly speculated that Osama Bin Laden was behind the attacks.[23] On the day of the attacks, the National Security Agency intercepted communications that pointed to Osama bin Laden,[24] as did German intelligence agencies.[25] It was quickly asserted that Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization were solely responsible for the attacks, and other suspects were ruled out. The Government of the United Kingdom reached the same conclusion.[26] Although he denied the attacks at first, Osama bin Laden has since claimed full responsibility. However, it has been questioned whether, even several months after the attacks, investigators had definitive proof that bin Laden or al-Qaeda in Afghanistan were directly responsible:[27] as late as June 2002, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III, in testimony before a Senate committee, reported on the then-current speculation: "We think the masterminds of it were in Afghanistan, high in the al Qaeda leadership. Plotters and others - the principals - came together in Germany and perhaps elsewhere."

From wiki.

 

Atta's Father Still Insists His Son is Alive (Associated Press, September 11, 2004)

FBI Denies Mix-Up Of 9/11 Terrorists (Insight Magazine, June 11, 2003)

New Questions About Real Identity of 9-11 Hijackers (American Free Press, March 21, 2005)

 

ALLEGED 9/11 HIJACKERS: AMERICAN AIRLINES Flight 11

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_11.html


ALLEGED 9/11 HIJACKERS: UNITED AIRLINES Flight 175

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_175.html


ALLEGED 9/11 HIJACKERS: AMERICAN AIRLINES Flight 77

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_77.html


ALLEGED 9/11 HIJACKERS: UNITED AIRLINES Flight 93

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_93.html

 

CAIRO, Egypt — Mohammed al-Amir Atta no longer practices law, but when it comes to his son, he can still put up a spirited defense.

They are loud, long arguments that allow few interruptions and carefully evade the key questions: Was his son really the lead hijacker in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks? How does he live with the knowledge? Does he still think his son is alive?

You did read this right rat?


The stunning news prompted FBI Director Robert Mueller to admit that some of the hijackers may have stolen identities of innocent citizens. In September 2002, Mueller told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers." After that admission a strange thing happened - nothing. No follow-up stories. No follow-up questions. There was dead silence and the story disappeared. It was almost as if no one wanted to know what had happened. In fact, the FBI didn't bother to change the names, backgrounds or photographs of the alleged 19 hijackers. It didn't even deny the news reports suggesting that the names and identities of at least six of the hijackers may be unknown. Mueller just left the door open.

Just because they may have stolen the names of LIVING people does not mean that the actual TERRORISTS are still alive.


They left my workstation in suits and ties. I didn�t see them take their coats off,� recalls Tuohey. �Atta left carrying a small duffel bag and the other had a very small bag. I guess they could have placed the jackets, ties and shawl in Atta�s bag. I just don�t know.�

So after you read this I ask you. Where are the survalance pictures from THIS day? That seems like it would REALLY clear up alot of this. That is, If the exist.

 

Ok, then where are the pictures/identities of the people that supposedly did hijack the planes? Why are the pictures/identities of people still alive on the official list of the alleged 19 hijackers? If Al Shehri and others are victims of mistaken identity, and they are, then let's see the pictures of the people who were actually allegedly on board those planes.

 

Lets see pictures of these people who are supposedly still alive walking around. And btw Names and pictures are two very diffrent things.

 

Pictures? Heck, there is actually video of some of them (though most were recorded before the attacks). Look at the links I provided above detailing the alleged hijackers of each plane.

 

I cant watch streaming video, So are you saying that the actual terrorists who hijacked the planes are still alive or what? If the goverment was going to use someones elses picture would it not be smarter for them to choose someone who was already dead? What is your theory as to what happened after all?

 

What I am saying is the government cannot get its story straight, so how do we know who the hijackers even were when there isn't even any evidence to begin with?

I believe that some of the 19 alleged hijackers played no role in the attacks at all, while others may have served as patsies/double agents, simply to create a cover story. We do know several of them were in fact trained on US military bases.