Oh, the games people play:-((((((

without TRUTH(Reality) there can be no "mutual respect"
there can be no "Love".......period.......

as to "treating others as i would like them to treat me", exactly!
if i were caught up in the "strong delusion" that is "christianity" i would
hope others would care enough to tell me The TRUTH, and not just
massage the minds of those would "teach" the heretical doctrines of
"catholicism" and her pagan "christian" daughters.

and The Messiah, He did the same when he spoke of "whited sepulchures
full of dead men's bones" and "a generation of vipers"....... and that is
"christianity" today, for they hold to and maintain the "legacy of the
pharisee's". scribes and theo'ry'logians rule.......

and the apostles, those who were the "uneducated and ignorant men"?

and those who did The Will of Our Father, they questioned, "when did we"?
they never lost "sight" of the fact that they were but "poor and needy"
souls "unable to do the least".

and indeed "it is The ONLY TRUE GOD WHO works in HIS Children both the
will and to do of HIS good pleasure".......and as The Messiah so His Brethren
will give all Glory to GOD!

and once again, "The Way to The Truth of The Life"?

simply, to desire above all else "Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!

can't say i comprehend all of the above,

yet "who then can be saved?
no one will die with their ego,
the ego will not be saved.
why then cling to the ego?"

quite a wonderful scenario.

""I" must die"! "except a man deny himself".......period.......

such denial is fostered by a desire for "Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!

and simply, such desire is "The Way to The Truth of The Life".......

peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco

 

Am I posting this or is my hand? My point is; God is the creative power of the universe (and more), anyone who becomes one with the power is the power. There's no point in making a distinction.

 

If there is no point in making a distinction, why does God in the Old Testament make that distinction Himself? It's obvious that it was important to Him to do so. If you are not big on biblical accuracy or truth, then I suppose you can just fluff of statements like this. ''I made the heavens and the earth, alone and by myself.'' Being one with God has absolutely nothing to do with who was present at the creation of the earth, before man existed. The facts are, the Old Testament states that the Father made the heavens and the earth alone and by Himself, and in the New Testament it states it was Jesus Christ who made the earth and all things. Only a truthful, and the most obvious conclusion could allow for this problem to be resolved. Power has nothing to do with who was present at creation. Being one with God has nothing to do with who was present at creation.
So the question remains. Did Jesus Christ make all things as the New Testament says He did, or did the Father make all things as the Old Testament says He did?

 

I guess the question remains if you think it matters.
Calling anything "Truth" or "fluff" is claiming to understand it. If God's infinite, then His Truth is infinite, if His Truth is infinite than there's no end to the understanding of it.
If you've come to a conclusion about it then that's what it is; a conclusion, an end.
It means you've stopped trying to understand.

 

interesting for in this temporal "life" Truth is infinite, and yet, Truth(fluff), that which is Real(fluff maybe to you), begets Truth, and Truth revealed and experienced begets understanding.......

for instance, Truth is, that Life, Real Life is of The Great Spirit, or if your preferred usage would be "The ONLY TRUE GOD", or another label, so be it.

a conclusion yes? however, a new beginning, and it seems as Truth is revealed and experienced so it is, "New Every Day".......

and thankfully Truth(fluff) is, that soon we will be set free from this fleshly
"schoolhouse(fluff)"....... free(fluff), free at last!

The Life is for Learning, and when breath(spirit) returns Home to The Giver with the receiver who desired The Giver's Will above all else, well it is then we will see HIM as HE IS, for we will be liken unto HIM))))))

this response was not meant to confuse, yet if that is the case then please
forgive me, my attempt at being "cute(fluff)".

peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francis
(francisco while in mexico. when in the us of a, francis will do)

 

Fluffer... lol..

 

sorry, probably shouldn't do so.......

 

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With this kind of logic, there is nothing in the Bible that one could ever hope to understand. A simple question could never be answered, because there would always be the posibility that there are 10 other answers that would explain away any obvious truth. The fact is, God made the Bible with simple truths, so all could understand. Yet, for others, it is far more comfortable to state that such truth can never be simple. By trying to make the Bible complicated, they believe that God's Word will have no control over their life. They would lead you to believe the Book simply cannot be understood. To those who take the Bible seriously, questions like this should matter. The one's who don't understand, are those who believe that the Bible is so deep, that the Book cannot be taken seriously by human kind. This kind of thinking has more to do with how to escape God's laws, than trying to be a deep thinker of spiritual understandings. As if someday, they will stand before God and say, sorry God, your Book was not clear on that issue. Can't blame me for that. For a Christian the question in question has a simple answer. For those who donot know God, spiritual questions like this, will always be mysteries to them.

 

sad for you:-((((((

Faith rejoices against "logic".......period.......

all your words testify to nothing but "mental masturbation".......

"the bible"? wasn't "printed" by The ONLY TRUE GOD.......period.......
your "bible" testifies of "inventors of evil things".......

"the bibles" of "catholicism" and pagan "christianity" were not translated
by The ONLY TRUE GOD, or HIS Spirit.......period.......

and during the inquisition(13th-18th century) when "catholicism", and
then her pagan "christian" daughters, were slaughtering the Faithful,
well the Faithful, just like that apostles of old were "uneducated and
ignorant" people. they could not read so they could not "lean unto their
own understanding", and thankfully so.......

in those times before the "printing press" Faith was Alive, for there were
many who "experienced The Messiah and The Power WHO resurrected
Him" without the interference of "knowledge falsely so-called"!

"knowledge, falsely so-called" which is nothing but the memorization of
"colored marks written on a dead tree".......

it is the "knowledge" that possesses you.......

had also taken hold of me at one time, and then thankfully the cleansing
from the "braindiritying" i had been subjected to began, and yet continues.......

and so, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

hope that you and the multitudes liken you would somehow "receive
a love of The Truth", The Living Truth, not just "colored marks written
a dead tree"........ why follow the legacy of "the pharisee's"?

those who "receive a love of The Truth" will then "see" "the simplicity
that is in The Messiah" for as The Messiah they will desire above all
else:

"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!

simply, such a desire is "The Way to The Truth of The Life".......

peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francis

 

Lol! the ocean's pretty deep, I don't think I could ever swim to the bottom of it. does that mean I'll give up swimming in it all together?

A 5yr old who wades up to his knees might look at the sand under his feet and say "I'm standing on the bottom of the ocean" and he'd be right.
If he looked back towards the shore and told everyone on the beach "I've found the bottom of the ocean, no need to look any further, this is all there is" he might believe it (now that he's turned his back on the rest of it), but anyone with their eyes open could see that he's missing something.

 

The Bible I follow has a proven track record of 100% of fulfilled prophecy.
!00% is what God demands and that is what we have in our Christian Bible. What book do you follow Francisco. And does your book have prophecies that have been fulfilled with 100% accuracy. Or perhaps your God does not know the future, so he did not put any prophecy in your bible.

 

The problem here is you are like 5 year old. And you will never understand the deeper things of scripture becuse you have turned your back on the most simple and obvious things of scripture, yet any Christian can see you are missing who Jesus really is. You are fulfilling the words of Jesus when He said how there will be those who will forever be learning, but they will never be able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

"and though i know all prophecy, and have all knowledge, and
have not love, such profits me nothing".......

why you sick, ignorant, pompous, pagan "christian" hypocrite.......

and when The Messiah called the pharisee of His day "a generation of
vipers", and "whited sepulchures(above ground tombs) full of dead men's
bones",,,etc,,, yes, He loved His enemies.......

you who follow a "book", you are blinder even than the first "book" followers,
the pharisee's, those who you truly "follow"....... "the blind leading the blind",
and oh how dark is "the blackness of such darkness":-((((((

my "book"? The ONLY TRUE GOD, Father of ALL, HE is Alive! The Messiah,
"a servant of The ONLY TRUE GOD", HE is Alive! and The Teacher sent of
The Father and of The Son, The Spirit is Alive!

your "book", that which you say you "follow", and your own words prove
you to be a liar, your "book" is used and abused by you and those liken
unto you and has been a blight upon mankind; used and abused by those
who follow the legacy of the pharisee, used and abused of those who follow
the spirit of death, used and abused by those who would "market" salvation,
and because of you and those liken unto you "The Way of Truth is evil
spoken of".......period.......

"christianity"? "crime against humanity".......

and the "white anglo/saxon" version of "christianity" has taken that pagan
harlot religious system to new lows:-(((((( of course that was the plan of the
mother of "christianity", she who calls herself "catholicism", that was her plan
when she birthed her pagan "daughters".

for soon she will be declared the "righteous one" by those of this world, for
when compared to her "daughters" she will appear soooooo "righteous".

one evil, wicked world and one evil, wicked system of religion:-((((((

The Testimonies reveal there is one thing you can not serve if you desire to
serve The ONLY TRUE GOD, and that thing is the number one temptation that
the "the god of this world" uses in making disciples unto himself.

that thing is temporal riches, money.......

and one definition of pagan "christianity" today would be "a system of religion"
that teaches it's converts how "to sell their soul":-((((((

for "essau" it was but "a bowl of pottage", and today?

well what was called "coveteousness(greed)", was then called "materialism"
some years ago, and today "greed" is called "good management", "getting
what i deserve", "my share of the pie", or "prosperity":-((((((

yet even midst the "strong delusion" of this time:

while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

hope that there would be those who would not only read, but take heed
unto The Call of The ONLY TRUE GOD to:

"Come out of her, MY people......."

hope is there would be those who "come out" of this "wicked world(babylon)"
and it's systems of religion.......

hope that those of "the book" would see how "poor and needy" and unable
to "do the least" they are. and in "seeing" their need, hope is that as
Children they would "cry day and night" unto The ONLY TRUE GOD,
The Father of ALL, for Help!

and Our Father, HE Who is Faithful, will send HIS Spirit to Comfort them, and
be their Guide as they seek to follow The Messiah on "The Way to The Truth
of The Life"....... and liken unto The Messiah, The Children of The ONLY TRUE
GOD, Father of ALL, will truly desire above all else:

"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!

simply, such a desire is "The Way to The Truth of The Life".......

peace, even as wars(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francis

 

Well Francisco, I'm not sure what group your from, but we evil Christians have been sending are people and our money for years to the four corners of the earth. Where ever you find the sick and the weak Christians are there helping them, because we know this is what our evil God wants. Evil only comes to kill and destroy. If our God is the evil one, he sure has found a strange way to show it. Who has your religion helped lately.

 

Fransisco's 'religion' is Fransiscoism. It seems to consist mainly in abusing others and proclaiming that he alone knows God. To criticize Fran is to criticize the Messiah himself.

Christianity,( all denominations, not just RC) I have learned from him is a 'pagan whore' evidently.
I for one will stick with my 'pagan whore' and leave Frannie to his insane ranting.

 

sad that you "would stick with a pagan whore", yet from what you have
posted on these forums i can understand why:-((((((

sad to say your words will judge you:-((((((

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracles do happen!

may you experience a Miracle.......

peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francis

 

Your words judge you as well Francisco.

You portray yourself as one who knows God, yet you do not recognize the gifts that God gives you. Sad for you :-((((((