Ohh baby I like it raw, yeah baby I like it rawwwww

What about if you added a sousaphone to that song? Would it be metal?

 

i don't know what a sousaphone is but why not. there is metal with violins, bagpipes, all sorts of folk and ethnic instruments.

 

I think purp and CC need to just duke it out honestly

raz...hope i'm not making a fool of myself in there

 

Same here, go look through this thread I don't insult rap once. (not you dronelore)

well maybe once... pretty sure I didn't though.

 

guys watch out!!

 

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just saying that I feel hiphop as a whole provides more room for artistic freedom.

Not that one requires more talent or that any is better than the other.

I haven't said a negative thing about metal either, have I?

(THe sousaphone I was joking - The Roots has a sousaphonist, it is pretty much a tuba)

 

hahah it's the bond thing, we may not think we're making fools of ourselves. but everyone else may. but see. i don't care. :hat:

 

hahahha look at raz in her silllllly hat!

 

...Yes you did, you said metallica are shitty at best.

you've poked fun at metal countless times in this thread, if your saying you didn't then you lie more than a politician.

 

look at my silly hat!@

 

Don't act like a scrounge around trying to find if you said anything about Metallica...I'm not concerned with them and I don't get a hard on when I hear talk of them.

I said Metallica sucks, oh dear lord - strike me down! If you're so confident in their awesomeness you wouldn't give a fuck, man. You have repeatedly bashed my taste in music. You have even told me to go listen to my "fag ****** music" many different times, under different wordings. Don't play like I am going after you, bud. I don't care - I was seriously having a fine conversation about other things and you constantly bring this shit back up. For real, you need to calm down there and just sit a few rounds out.

 

When you put it that way, the only thing limiting a person's artistic freedom is their desire for their sound to be easily labeled. So...in a way, hiphop artists have the luxury of knowing that whatever they produce can fall under the umbrella of hiphop and use that as a crutch. if you want to experiment with metal is a way that the masses of the genre abandon you (again, not likely unless there are no metal elements of your sound, and if that was the case then this argument wouldnt apply at all), you're on your own. so it actually requires MORE artistic conviction. take that!

what if i want to make hip hop where i dont rap, or use a beat. people wont call it hip hop! how dare they thwart my artistic desires..

 

Check and mate, haha dronelore your a smart dude.

I never would have thought of saying that.... Well maybe if I was wearing my thinking cap... But I'm not... I never wear it

 

Of course it wouldn't be hiphop. If I wanted to make metal without metal's primary instruments, it'd be a stretch to call it ROCK even.

I don't understand how knowing everything to be produced with hiphop roots will be labeled hiphop is a crutch? There are many many many experimental hiphop projects that simply don't work because they sound terrible. It doesn't not make it hiphop. (Common's Electric Circus is prime example).

What I was saying is, there are very subtle differences to be changed in metal to be still considered metal. If you use a bagpipe, like you said, would you not be prone to be considered VIKING metal or some shit? That's where the freedom in hiphop lies. Instead of having to change my name or create a side project to do something wildly different in the rock genre, hiphop artists often experiment under the same alias.

Only hardcore fans would follow an artist's side project dilligently from the get-go. However a hiphop artist's experimental album can be released and still garner attention just from keeping the same name.

I mean, it doesn't necessarily have to be this way, but this is the trend, and it has proven more successful and easier (in my eyes) to be able to experiment in the hiphop scene. (NOTHING to do with which is easier to make or distribute, just to express)

 

Aha, best post of the thread.
And in my case, I was just digging leaving the music discussion, I get bored sometimes; I gots me a girl - and until/if we move away from monogamy, I see all strangers and friends independent of their particular genders =) (See: pussy-whipped/just don't give a shit anymore/girls have cooties)

 

You're still discussing the fans. Let's look at this in broader terms: those of art in general. You are essentially arguing that one medium is better than another for over all artistic expression, and you are putting the cart before the horse. The artist chooses the medium. So much of your argument rests on the artist's discretion: They must, first of all, care how people categorize their work. Then, they must subjugate their own artistic desires to the expectations of their fans. These are all variables that have nothing to do with a particular genre / medium / scene, and everything to do with individuals--pesky little things which are notoriously unpredictable. There are of course other reasons to start a side project--to distance yourself from your old work, or to avoid unreasonable expectations on the part of your fans. My Dying Bride did an album called 39.797 % Complete (I don't remember the exact number but it was something like that), where they deviated harshly from their earlier work. Most people hated it (but not everyone). Another example of a metal band experimenting and keeping the same name, Paradise Lost. Hell, one of the most well known Black Metal bands (Burzum) released two ambient albums. Beherit did the same thing. Ulver, a band that started off as a harsh (and it was very harsh haha) Black Metal band, that has released weird ambient / idm shit for the majority of their career, under the same name. Death gradually morphed from typical old school Death Metal to some bastardized progressive metal...and they are one of the most respected bands in the metal scene, the entirety of their work. Bathory was a progenitor of Black Metal, and after their third album they abandoned the harsh vocals and extreme tempo of their music for a more restrained, emotional and epic sound (Hammerheart, one of the first viking metal album). No genre is inherently freer than any other.

 

I reread this...and this is exactly what I mean, actually...I wouldn't call it a CRUTCH, but it is definitely a luxury. You CAN produce anything and it will fall under the umbrella of hiphop - that doesn't mean it will be good in the least, however.

This is EXACTLY my point. Hiphop artists tend to have more artistic flexibility within the single genre they deal with.

 

twang you are the man of my dreams

 

I don't even get what is being argued here...I'm not saying any genre is better than the other. I am and have been saying that "Metal" as a genre, is much more defined than "HipHop" is. That is it...lol and it is pretty much true.