Ohio To Go Through Statewide Vote Recount After All

Many people do believe that it will make a difference, whether it be getting Kerry in office, proving to the U.S. and the world that Kerry rightfully won, or ensuring that future elections are not rigged similarly. There is no reason to NOT support the recount is there? So I don't understand your opposition to it. Dumbass Bush supporters don't want it, because they don't want the truth to be known.

Two stupidasses in this thread believe it was not stolen, Bush-lovers of course.
Even if Kerry was in on it, the truth about that will never be known if we just say "screw it". To continue prying into the matter is the only way to find out what happened.
Even if Kerry allowed Bush to win, I still want him in office. He will still have to live up to his promises, or suffer politically. Nothing good can come of letting this go, but some good can come of sorting out the truth.

That's one way of interpreting it. However, no one knows what is really going on behind the scenes. We do not need Kerry. In fact, it is better if he does not lead this fight. The republicans had much in their arsenal no doubt and would have done anything to prevent Kerry from getting to the bottom of this.

I doubt that. People are getting fed up. Why do you oppose a recount?
If anything, I want the loser Bush voters to know they did not really win.

Democrats will not vote for the Democratic nominee next time if he/she is a candidate handpicked by the DNC. People are starting to wise up.

If this is the case, then people should know about it. If Kerry is shown to be the winner and he does not fight to get in office, then people will know. That crap won't happen in the future then. People are suspicious already. I agree that you had a valid point with the Skull & Bones connection, but we (those of us who wanted Bush out) had no choice. Kerry was the only real shot at getting him out. So please don't blame us for Kerry being the nominee, I don't think many of us here actually voted for him in the primaries.
Your opinion would be no different if Kerry would have won. You can't just say "See, I told you so" to everything.
If people call you a paranoid weirdo it is probably in defense of you calling them a blind, uninformed sheep for supporting Kerry. I know you have a lot of insight into these issues and I do find your posts informative.

I see your point, but perhaps it is just a strategy.
Conceding is not legally binding. We have until Dec. 12th. Wish us luck

 

Nope, but he might as well have been.

Between welfare "reform", the "Defense of Marriage Act", auctioning off the public airwaves to giant media conglomerates, more pot arrests than Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. COMBINED, and the single worst record on civil liberties prior to the current administration, Clinton did more to advance a right-wing agenda than most democrats care to admit.

But because he got a blowjob and plays saxophone, people act like he was a great liberal hero...

 

Well, I will certainly agree with that. I don't like Clinton any more than I like Bush. Clinton is every bit as corrupt a person as Bush, but because of his intellect and "charm", he was much better at hiding it, while at the same time providing the country with a sense of economic prosperity. Most people who love Clinton don't know about half the dirt in his background, and they probably never will.

 

The best that can be said about Clinton and the economy is that he was in the right place at the right time. The Clinton era pretty much corresponded with the commercialization of the internet, and the "Tech Boom" that it spawned. He gets credit for balancing the budget and creating zillions of jobs, but in reality he had little to do with it.

Of course, he claimed credit for the high-tech economy every chance he got, while helping to deliver the final blow to our already crippled manufacturing base via NAFTA and GATT. All the unemployed factory workers were going to be retrained as programmers, IT workers, etc, as these were supposed to be the "Jobs of the 21st Century". Remember those? The same jobs that are now being "outsourced" to India and Singapore?

 

Oh I totally agree, but I feel that if it somehow turns out that Bush stole Ohio, people will start to realize the amount of government corruption and the amount of power they have, and the amount of fraud they can cause and get away with, an investigation into this can turn out to prove that the Bush family is no different from the mafia.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

I just want to post another article on this . I'll lay claim at this moment that I am a 'free agent' claiming loyalty to neither of the dominant parties. I believe the inspection of voting fraud should fall outside of bi-partisan politics and into the realm of an objective look by the american people. I state again I am loyal to neither of the dominant parties. Check it out:
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/995

 

It's so sad that people feel they have to shed all perceptions of party loyalty in order to be taken seriously. Can't anyone besides myself accept information from numerous sources including left and right-slanted perspectives? I don't understand how some people can think the left is all right and the right is all wrong, or the right is right and the left is wrong.

 

the fact is, whether or not bush stole it, people will hold true to their opinions. people have been predicting bush stealing 2004 for as long as they have been thinking about it. some with basis, but many just because its bush. people would have been listing ways he stole it an hour after it was anounced, with no evidence except for the ideas they thought up a month before. i dont oppose the recount at all, although if bush was found to have stolen ohio i believe it would cause a stir, especially with kerrys concession. although, if its found that bush won ohio fairly, will everyone stop ranting about how he stole it? cause i dont think so. if the recount proves in favour of kerry, there will be a huge uproar, if the recount proves in favour of bush, people will just resort to the ways theyve found he stole it without messing with slips, or that he stole the recount.. im not aligned with either side, nor am i american, but too many people think bush stole both elections, and most of them base it on nothing. people like pressed_rat are good, they have their opinion but they have a political reason for it..

 

No, you're not the only one who can accept objective information. I make that statement only after so much spin has been put on the issue by the media and to forego the attacks from extreme right or left which usually follow any news about fraudulent voting practices. You're right, it is sad that the American people are so easily manipulated into believing that they must line up on one side or the other. I'm with you.

 

Yes, I think it is often just easier for people to dismiss information or opinions by saying "You're a brainwashed sheep on the left/right". Instead of providing a rebuttal, they simply discard it as propaganda. No doubt there is much garbage that should be ignored, but too often people won't consider an article or such from certain websites or people. Or worse, they rely only on certain sources for their "news".