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Thanks for the suport, I needed that.

 

With all due respect and sympathy to the friends and family of people killed in September 11th, I don't see Maverick's sig picture as offensive or disrespectful, though I can see how some people can interpret them that way. It's still Maverick's choice to put the picture there, the images of Sept. 11th are still going to be displayed elsewhere today, it's etched in our history. That said though, I don't think there are many people who need the pics to remind them of what happened to the World Trade Center.

 

That's not the point at ALL. You are looking at those pictures as an event in American History and I won't deny the historical significance of it. I also view it as such, but I also look at it on a personal level. If you lost someone close to you during this tragedy, maybe you'd understand how I feel and trust me you would feel the same the way.

 

It's also a personal reminder as well.

 

OK - this basically it. To some of you these pictures don't have a personal effect on you like they do me. You do not feel disrespected. I feel disrespected and simply pointed out that as someone who lost a loved one during the tragedy I would like people to respect that and please take down these photos. Show me some fucking respect. ANYONE who lost someone in this tragedy would feel the EXACT same way - ANYONE. For one second could ya grow up and honestly put yourself in OUR shoes? This isn't the first time that I have asked someone on this site to not post these pictures and on every other occasion they took them down because they recognized that even though they weren't trying to offend someone, they were. Its not about your intent maverick, its about how it is perceived by people like me.

 

I can respect your position, dhs. And I will admit that since I did not know anyone who died that day, I cannot know exactly what you are feeling.

However, it does bring up another topic of interest to me. Sometimes you just have to deal with stuff you dont like. This country gives you the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It does not give you the right to never be offended. I am deeply offended when I see pictures of people, especially americans, tearing or burning the stars and stripes. (you heard me, there are Americans who do this. Usually its at "peace" rallies). I'm not completely certain about the laws surrounding that practice, but my point right now is it offends me. However, if they show that on CNN one day, and I happen to see it, I do not have the right to sue CNN. I am offended, yes. I would like to see it stopped, yes. but if it happened and CNN cought it on tape, they have the right to show it.

As terrible as it may seem to you, sometimes you just gotta tough it out.

 

Maverick honestly there is NO POINT in posting these pictures. You claim your point is to remind people of history and there are evil people in this world. So an arson burns down your neighbors house - should I post photos of it as a reminder to everyone that there are evil people in this world? We all know that there are evil people in this world - there's no point in reminding everyone. You are trying to remind people, but all you are doing is offending those who have a more personal connection to the event.

 

I WILL NOT change my signature unless I feel like it or Skip asks me to for a good reason. Stop asking me to do so.

 

OK Maverick I'll stop asking because the one thing I've recognized here is you have proved your point and that is that you're an immature 16 year old who has zero concept of respect.

 

That's all I ask.

 

A suggestion, maybe you could at least make the picture not so damn big? Just out of courtesy, not obligation. I'm sure people will still recognize what the event depicted in the pic is, and won't have to see that big picture 5 times on one page and often bigger than the actual post. This is also to do with my own mild dislike for signatures with freaking huge images or a page of text.

 

Makes sense. I used to think the same thing, but getting DSL changed that. I don't mind so much. But for all the people stuck with dial-up, no problem.

 

Back to the original question in this thread.


It's o.k. to kill civilians in the name of liberation, because they are living on top of billions of barrels of oil. And Bush, Cheney et al, want it.........comprende'?

 

oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Its about money.... lol

MAVRICK! STOP AVOIDING MY QUESTION TO YOU!

ARE YOU ENLISTED TO GO TO THE ARMED FORCES WHEN YOU TURN 18?!

 

lol, i'm glad that people during ww2 didnt ponder such thoughts.


"oh my god, i might kill 1 innocent civilian, oh well, better let hitler kill another 12 million."

Innocent losses are reprehensible, but sometimes the end really does justify the means. There are evil greater than death.

 

There is a difference between this war and WW2. Mainly the fact that Iraq wasnt invading the rest of Europe (Middle East). The point is that Sadam the evil leader is gone and civilians are still dropping like flies. The point is Bush is disregaurding all human life and saying he will send more people to die if its "needed"
[edit] and lets not forger unprovoked invasion, lieing to the people, and all those WMD's we happened to not find (because he got rid of them with magic powers lol)

 

Personally, i think you are quite naive to think of this war as unprovoked. Saddam had NOT lived up to his end of the bargain for the peace agreement back from 91. This has been an ongoing process for 12 years. Thats the real problem, everyone sees what happened in 1991 and what happened in 2003 as two seperate, isolated events, when they were delicately interweaved. You just need to read resolution 1441 to see that.

 

But Sadam is good and the civilians are still dying like crazy. Lets also not forget the fact that their are tons of people who aren't dying but are crippled for life.

 

while 1 death is too many..lets be realistic here. Between 100k and 500k iraqis were estimated to have died in the first gulf war. How many have died now? 10-15k? Not only did we overthrow saddam this time, we've held the country for a year. Sure, 10k is a lot of innocent lives lost. However, we should be thankful that its not 1 million lives.

 

Oh because thats always better. "Hey we didn't kill as many this time! All right, pat on the bacK! Fuck the families of the dead!" Come on now. Its insane because all these people who are pushing for the continuation for the war agree (that I've talked to) that if Iraq was "liberating" us and civilians were dieing that theyd want Iraq the hell out.