Open Carry Firearms

lol Men and their gadgets.

Reminded me of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPXOsaMbvU

 

Ha ha ha, Serpentine!

 

Google "Tueller Drill" and you'll find out just how wrong you are. Also, statistically, if you are attacked, it is likely to occur well inside twenty feet (closer to ten feet, actually.)

 

I guarantee couldn't get your gun out fast enough if I attacked you from inside twenty feet.

 

I practice... a lot. Are you willing to bet your life on it? Even if I come out of it injured, you'll be the one with the toe tag.

 

I'd shove that gun up your ass before you could release the safety! LOL Seriously though, I've had extensive training so, no, I doubt you'd make it.

Granted, you might be able to take down your average hood -rat mugger at that range, if they didn't catch you by surprise...maybe

Instead of reaching for your gun you could have used a faster, more effective way of neutralizing my attack.

Self-defense wise, It's a pretty narrow set of situational parameters, in my mind, that would actually warrant the use of a firearm.

 

That is a highly unlikely scenario that is basically nonsense. I can't think of a single incident that I've ever heard of where someone was just walking along and a person ran up to them from 21 feet away and stabbed them. You wouldn't even know that detail unless there were witnesses and I doubt if it happened enough times to say that there are statistics to support one position or another. But your post does support my point....violence is close and personal. You need to be up close to attack with a knife. And 21 feet is not 35 or 50 feet (distances you used in posts) and I don't think there will be many times where there will be multiple attackers running toward you with knives at that distance. I don't think you will have very many justified shootings at 50 feet away...if you hit them....even with a knife.

 

I wouldn't be so cocky. with practice and a good break-away holster, maybe .5-1 second to draw, another .5 to bring it to bear, so about 1.5-2 seconds max. It is one simple, smooth motion.
It can be done, even by me. We used to time one another and crap back when I was into guns.

or what if he is one of those "quick draw" guys who can shoot so fast, recording equipment can't distinguished two distinct shots, THAT'S FAST.

but yeah, for the vast majority of folks, it would be a coin toss, but as buzz said, "you willing to risk your life on it?"

you are misquoting his numbers. The distances you quote were the effective ranges of tasers and pepper spray, so they are both ranged/projectile type of weapons and do not figure into the close quarters scenario above.

The recommendation is to zero a handgun at 75 feet/25 yards, it's effective range is out to maybe 50 yards in the hands of an experienced shooter, but most instances will occur within that 25 yards.
I believe the police consider 21 feet to be the "lethal range" of any melee type weapon and use of lethal force is justifiable against an assailant with melee weaponry.

 

You're right. I did misrepresent his numbers unintentionally. I went back and looked. But it doesn't really change my point. For instance, he said a gun may be (in the right hands) effective at 50 yards. I can't think of too many scenarios where you will be justified in shooting someone from that far away.

 

I wish the gun culture of America would change but I know it never will. I've had friends who were very into it and even shot them myself because of that but it I just don't see the appeal. They want to drive hours into the middle of nowhere just to shoot the watermelons they buy at the store. The first shot or two was interesting just because I had played so many video games with guns and I wanted to see how it really was but then I was done. There is a bang much louder then the movies, it's harder to aim, and then the watermelon goes boom, not that exciting.

The whole "a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun" is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. It's so easy for the criminal to have a gun because of the current gun laws. It's a vicious cycle. You all think you are gonna be Bruce Willis when the shit hits the fan. But study after study shows in a crisis you can and will shoot innocent people in the course of trying to get the "bad guy". Most of you simply don't have the training I don't care how many hours you spend at the range. I have seen it personally a guy who shoots since he was 4 and is proud to say he is good at long range. Neighbor breaks into his house he shoots, misses, and actuly sends the bullet through a wall into another innocent person's apartment. He almost killed someone else. He was lucky the person was taking a shit and not sitting in their living room.

"But then only criminals have guns" more bull shit. By that logic why should theft or murder be illegal? I mean criminals are not gonna listen to the law so why even have it? I realize there are already so man guns in America and so many people who would never give them up. Also people have 3D printers and have and will continue to make their own guns without serial numbers. But to me even if we have 10 million guns ( I know it;s much more) we can stop the problem today before it's 15 million. It does not have to get worse.

The open carry in public thing is just rude and stupid. They like to say it was done in the old west of America it was not. You were not allowed to carry guns in town like that only in the wilderness. But when you came to town the Sheriff took your weapons. It's only a matter of time before two of these idiots meet and each assume the other is the bad guy.

 

Disagree on confiscated arms by sheriffs. Maybe known bad-asses would get by with confiscation--like the Earps.

""if your life were of the slightest use to anyone----you might be sure he would take it. It was safe only as you were in constant readiness to defend it.Everybody appropriated everything that suited him, running his own risk of a penalty."-page 263-264-The Book of the American West.

 

Um, other person is shooting at you?

 

I survived Fallujah..

I can survive a convenience store..

 

In all seriousness this is a great post..

Only thing about 3D printed guns, is they only work for one bullet. Then they actually shoot strong enough that the gun breaks

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkCqSHwhKVg

 

At 50 yards, I'd blatantly walk up closer! Few and far between people who can use a sidearm that far.

Then spin it to 20ft, you have a better chance throwing it at them for blunt force trauma.

There are times you need a fire are, many more times you wont. My stance, you won't catch me without one, I've carried for years. But in all that time, they have collected more dirt and dust than shoot time.

But I did always need a website to teach me how to hold and shoot! That was the biggest waste of reading in along time!
Shooting and golfing are close, nobody has the same technique. You use what you know and are taught and from there you alter to fit your comfort and convenience. I can hit the same targets holding it like a new shooter with two hands and twitching or grab it, hold it sideways and unload a mag.
To each their own, go to any forum and they will have a thread as such along with quick draw wild bill's. With all the people who post how fast etc, every time a nut job starts shooting, where are these people? On here/net most likely in their moms basement listening to flock of seagulls!

Chuck Norris needs to get out more! If anyone saw walker TR's cowboy boot, they would go running for the hills!

 

lol, I love that scene!

 

I can easily cover twenty feet in under two seconds.. and I'm and old guy, not even in top shape.

Imagine if it was some peeped-out psychopath, or meth-head.