Opinions About Racial Dynamics In Oregon Standoff

just because they espouse racist ideas and rhetoric does not mean that THIS INCIDENT is racially motivated

 

Two things about your post and the one you quoted from Theprodu....


First. Theprodu's quote is actually about Cliven Bundy... Ammon Bundy's father.

Second. This occupation may not be racially motivated but one has to wonder if the fed's response may be racially or even religiously motivated. (could be one in the same these days with the growing lack of separation of church and state)



Again, if these guys were Muslim they would already be dead... regardless of their motives for taking over Federal property.

 

@ theProdu


Uhmm, what the hell did I do to you to warrant such a PM response from someone I considered as a friend?
Quoting a post and not agreeing with it is cause for you to respond that way?

Am I not allowed to disagree with you?

 

yes but nothing indicates that this "occupation" is racially motivated, at least not directly.
As far as the feds reaction or lack thereof, is it because of racial considerations, or is it because they want to try to avoid the inevitable shit storm that would arise if an serious altercation ensued.
They need to consider the reaction from many different arenas.
You know as well as I do that a shit ton more "patriots" would come crawling out of the woodwork if the feds fired a shot, just because they are government agents regardless if they agree with Bundy's cause.
Then of course you would have half the people here at HF calling for the feds to take action would then be crying foul and complaining about government intrusion and control.

It really is a cluster-fuck of a mess.
My only thing in all of this is that there are many, many other factors playing into this, race is only one of them, and IMO, not the predominate deciding factor.

and if experience tells us anything it is that the majority of Muslim terrorist activity isn't some lame-assed, ineffectual "occupation", it usually involves bombs, guns and lots of bloodshed, so not really a valid comparison.
I'm sure if these yahoos had the same track record, they would already be dead.

Remember folks, the only thing they have done is take over a bird sanctuary in the middle of nowhere, tore down a fence and some cameras and just blow a lot of hot air around.
Is all that really worth the feds going in guns blazin'?



why do some people always jump to race first?

(not directed at you Ty, just a general question)

 

In many ways this could be seen as a racist statement... Not saying you meant it this way, but perception, man, perception.

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Let me put it this way, if on the odd chance a group of Muslims, with the exact same guns the Bundy clan has. Took over the exact same bird sanctuary the Bundy clan has, for the exact same reason, as well. The Fed response would be immediate and swift. The public response, for the most part, would be "good... More 'Islamic Terrorists' are now dead. Good riddance" and the situation would be history. Much the same could be said if this imaginary group were Black, or Mexican, or even Native American...

I'm not suggesting we do this same thing to the Bundy clan... What I saying is we shouldn't, as a people, do this to groups that might have a different skin color than those in charge of these situations. Like it or not there is still racial divide in this country. If you don't believe that spend some time in "rural America" where it is blatantly obvious.


As far as the topic of this incident being racially motivated... I'm sorry to say I am the one that started that in this thread. It was an aside to the main topic when I just asked "What would happen if a group of black's showed up to help these guys out"... It's a side issue to the actual direction of the thread. And for the most part that direction should not be the main conversation here. This thread is about the Federal response and it's racial implications.


Sorry I took it off track. Back to our regularly scheduled topic.

 

Hey look!

It's the original post in this thread!!!

 

did these guys watch to many billy jack movies or what??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RjI44WXKMI

 

The problem with trying to turn news stories like this into racial issues over and over again, especially when race has little to nothing to do with the given incident, is that people grow tired of it and begin to disregard REAL racial related issues. When people take non race related events and turn them into racial conflicts, they become the little boy who cried wolf. (Or the little boy who cried racist. That's more fitting)

 

Yeah, I think we've pretty much established that the militants aren't being given special treatment because they're white.

Why they are being given special treatment remains to be answered.

 

^No, that's what the rest of you established. I'm still not convinced that their skin tone is the reason this conflict has dragged on for 3 weeks.

 

My bad.

Complete typo on my post.

I'll correct it.

 

It's all good. Thanks for clarifying

 

Good catch, Shaman!

 

A "rational" non racist reason for the fed's response to this situation could very well be because these guys continually say they are part of the "militia"... You know, the "good guys with guns" (translated to fucking morons) that are going to save us from a tyrannical government.

There are a shytload of these "militia" types out there just waiting for a match to set off the powder keg. These guys holding the bird sanctuary want to be martyrs for the cause and unleash the anger of the "militia" on anyone and everyone that doesn't see things their way.

They haven't gone after old man Bundy (Cliven) yet either for the same reason. If the Feds directly do anything to these shitheads it would be like poking a stick into a hornets nest.


Time for the Orkin man...

 

The only other reason I could think of would be that, because of a loohole,they indeed have a right to take it over. Now the gov might be scrambling to figure out a counter loophole.

Far fetched, but something about it all is f'ed up.

 

I don't buy the "loophole" theory....

 

I don't either for the most part, but I can't think of any reason that law enforcement is not at least making them uncomfortable.

 

It's not because they are white, it's because they aren't black, native American, mexican... or lefty, lol

 

Since someone asked why there are so few Blacks in Oregon this might clarify the reasons:

When Oregon was granted statehood in 1859, it was the only state in the Union admitted with a constitution that forbade black people from living, working, or owning property there.
It was illegal for black people even to move to the state until 1926.

1927 Oregon State Constitution is finally amended to remove a clause denying blacks the right to vote.
1951 Oregon repeals its law prohibiting interracial marriages.
1951 Insurance surcharges for non-white drivers are removed.
1959 Oregon voters finally ratify the 15th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States


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