Outside the dialectic

Jeezus!!!!! Can't any threads EVER just keep on topic without turning into a battle of wills??? I guess not.

I take issue with some of the original post. I don't need to know technical terms for things, nor do I need to look up a bunch of stuff which tends to just be side tracking. I do know that there is more to EVERYTHING than just black and white. (Conspiracy versus not) I regularly sit outside the "norm" and see that there are MANY, MANY sides to everything, not just 2.

I also KNOW that there IS a lot of "conspiring" going on in this world, but I also know that some things happen NOT because someone or group manipulates it that way on purpose. NOBODY gets things right every time. But Things have a way of happening when certain other things happen first. Law of averages and all. I really think that if you give too much power to this idea that EVERYTHING is contrived by SOMEONE, then you will end up seeing it that way, whether it all is or not. But I think people are MISSING the obvious. That the way it all works cannot be specifically predicted. Only guessed at in an educated fashion. Some shmuck in high places really has no more power to control the fate of man than I do. He only has the power to steer in a certain direction. As do I.

I find that if you keep OUT of this black and white thinking, that EVERYTHING, without exception, tends to seem like it was "planned" no matter which direction it eventually goes. It's just that the plan seems to be flexible. Perhaps "God" is the ultimate conspirator?

 

Oh, and I DO agree that keeping everything two sided has a very bad effect on everything because it creates too much competition - either/or - no room for "other".

Nature does not work that way.

But just because I create the green team and the blue team does not mean that I can completely control what happens when I pit them against each other. There IS, after all, human FREE WILL.

No, not everything is a conspiracy, but EVERYTHING seems to be "planned".

 

yeah, it is rather interesting how even when this sort of information comes out of legitmate sources that are mainstream. people still often coin it a conspiracy theory if it seems too far fetched for them or runs contrary to whatever the mainstream media says at the time. it puts me in mind of the time there was a thread about the north american union and amero. some troll(pepik) i believe, kept accusing me of being a liar. even after i showed the lou dobbs segment where he discussses it. the troll still tried to say lou dobbs never once mentioned anything about a north american union.

leep in mind, it's people like that who go to places like rense.com/ and when there's a story mentioning adolf hitler for whatever reason. he takes off with it and runs as far as he can in order to try and make the messnger look bad. as opposed to doing the honest thing and examining it beyond the surface and checking to see if it has any sort of merit or not. i may not agree with everything yuou say ratt, but i certainly don't think you are a boldfaced liar or a lunatic. unlike some of the people at hipforums.

 

Ditto me for ^ ^ ^ that ^ ^ ^

 

I agree..This thread is way off topic I am not sure what it is about anymore just a battle of will political fight, I don’t even see how it is a Conspiracy..

Maybe this forum does need a moderator that can more some of these political ego fights to a political forum where they belong.

 

That's what I'm saying.

 

i've started reading the threads and when i get to one i want to reply to, i go ahead and quote it and make my reply. Then i go back to the thread, pick up where i left off, and do it again, if i find something to reply to. That way, i don't get distracted by any little tiffs/arguments that might be off-topic and it serves the purpose of getting the thread BACK ON topic by adding my posts to the end, with quotes from the topic.

i swear that it isn't that i'm stoned and can't remember what i wanted to say by the end of the thread, especially with the tiffs ~ it's, ... , it's, ... ,

well, something else.

 

'sall right...

 

heeeeheeeheee!! i love this place!!

 

The main problem I have with the conspiracy theories is that they paint the "powers that be" as virtually infallible.. almost to the point of the embodiment of a perfect evil.. which is where the Lucifer/Illuminati ties come from.. which is where the majority of the conspiracy theories come from...

And the whole "illuminati" theory kind of relies on an ontological-type logic. If a perfect evil entity could exist and control the world.. does not necessarily mean it will happen or is happening. Just because the concept of perfection can be created does not mean it exists in any form, tangible or otherwise.

 

Um, from all available information, one would assume that we are already controlled by perfect evil...