Papa John Is Mad About Obama Care

If there is no mandate "forcing" everyone to buy insurance, it will quickly become unaffordable except for the rich.

 

That's correct, it is NOT "life, liberty, and the provision of happiness" is it?

So your solution is to use government as a tool to take from others to 'provide' your happiness?

 

Well, yes and no. Individual state labor laws trump federal.
In Ca. there is a definition of part time vs full time.
Anything 32 hours or under for a week is considered part-time.
32+ hours in a week is considered full time, by the state labor board.
They further break it down in Ca.

Anything over 8 hours in any day is overtime, even if the total hours worked for the week is less than 40.
Salaried employees also have their salary broken down into an hourly rate, the average number of hours anticipated to be worked, and a then any hours over that is to be paid overtime.

Kinda complicated, but in Ca. at least even if you are salaried they can't work you outrageous hours without compensation, which used to happen a lot.
I know, I worked a salaried position when the laws changed and all the sudden I had to clock in/out and watch my hours and actually got overtime pay occasionally!

When I worked for Rong-Aid the retail clerks union contract stated that if an employee worked 32 hours or more for three consecutive weeks, they would then automatically be switched to full time status and be eligible for benefits.
They would work people 32-40 hours for two weeks and then cut them back to 16-20 hours to avoid the having too many full timers with benefits.

Shit hit the fan once when somebody scheduled a girl for 32 hours for 4 weeks. Then when her status changed and they tried to schedule her for part time, she complained to the union and started a minor shit storm, rightly so.

I don't recall the numbers, but the amount of "savings" by maintaining a bevy of part timers instead of full timers certainly made it an understandable business choice.

But it is also that type of crap that caused me to walk away from the job even though I was in line for a my own store and was making more $$$$ than ever before.

Example: A cashier called in sick one day. The manager didn't like her much, so he tells me to call her back and tell her to come in or she is fired. He was hoping she wouldn't come in.
I reluctantly do it and she comes in.
After the manager left for the day I sent her home and ran her register myself.
I got reprimanded for it and quit two weeks later.
I just couldn't treat people the way I was expected to.



oops... did I get rambling on again?????
you know how it is with us old farts......

:wheelchair:
*NURSE!! NURSE!!! Where the Hell are you! I need my damn diaper changed again! NURSE!! NURSE!!*

 

There are NO rights that aren't given by humans to other humans. Human construct. However some humans have an understanding of balance and fairness ,while others believe that in life ,it's every person for themselves,whether sick,dying,poor humans are in dire need of help or not. Doesn't matter to those types as long as they get theirs on a continuing basis. The Scandinavians have it right on health care. They care about their fellow citizens and their well being.

How dare that cheap,chickenshit son of a bitch pay his workers 6 bucks an hour! What a prick. No conscience,no heart, no morals.

 

See now there's your problem right there.

You seem to be under the misconception that there isn't enough "stuff" to go around, therefore you are afraid you might have to have less "stuff" if some "stuff" is used to help less fortunate people who don't have as much "stuff" as you.

OK, I see where you're coming from now.

Well, you know what you can do with all your precious "stuff".


You know it is possible to have a capitalist based society and economy AND still provide health care for everyone. One does not negate the other.

 

Let's all move to a Scandinavian country.

 

A universal healthcare system would benefit everybody. Similar to things like roads, education, police and firefighters. It's hardly stealing when it would be beneficial for all tax payers.

there is no reason for anyone to get denied healthcare in a country where first rate healthcare is readily available.

 

I have no problem. And I've not said there's not enough 'stuff' to go around.
I simply do not agree that it is the responsibility of government to distribute 'stuff'. People should directly be the source of supply to those less fortunate.

Health care IS available to everyone, but you seem to feel that the cost of providing it should be borne by government (in reality the people collectively), which also is not the responsibility of government.

 

So should universal healthcare be provided to all who can prove that they pay income taxes? What about those who do not? Nothing is free, with the possible exception of the air we breathe. Everything else which is a product of human labor comes with a cost, and healthcare is not at all similar to roads, education, police and firefighters in my book.

 

Back on topic, Just don't buy pizza from Poppa John.

 

You guys scare me.

To know that a person can walk into a hospital need help and get turned away because they have no insurance. Even tho they work their asses off.

In the long road you will have a healthier society but who would want that for your kids. As long as your rich, keep getting richer.

Keep them dumb they won't know what they are missing right? I mean education is for the rich to right?

 

Boo!

You may be onto something, education for the rich, and indoctrination for the poor.

 

Isn't Poppa John the one who is giving away two million free pizza's this year? Something related to football. They have had the commercials on TV about it. Why not have a commercial about him giving back to his hard working employees? Two million free pizza's has got to be a good chunk of change. It is all about him making more money. He obviously does not give a shit about his employees. There are plenty of people out of work, so his employees are expendable.

I don't buy pizza. I have never had his pizza. I just get sick when people are making their millions off the backs of poor people.

 

Welcome to planet Earth.

 

This is from BEFORE Obama-care was passed:

Health Care Is a Human Right By Sen. Bernie Sanders, Guardian UK
10 May 11

US healthcare is grossly distorted by waste and profit, while millions go uninsured. Americans deserve full universal coverage.​

he United States is the only major nation in the industrialised world that does not guarantee healthcare as a right to its people. Meanwhile, we spend about twice as much per capita on healthcare and, in a wide number of instances, our outcomes are not as good as others that spend far less.
It is time that we bring about a fundamental transformation of the American healthcare system. It is time for us to end private, for-profit participation in delivering basic coverage. It is time for the United States to provide a Medicare-for-all, single payer health coverage programme.
Under our dysfunctional system, 45,000 Americans a year die because they delay seeking care they cannot afford. We spent 17.6% of our GDP on healthcare in 2009, which is projected to go up to 20% by 2020, yet we still rank 26th among major, developed nations on life expectancy, and 31st on infant mortality. We must demand a better model of health coverage that emphasises preventive and primary care for every single person without regard for their ability to pay.
It is certainly a step forward that the new health reform law is projected to cover 32 million additional Americans, out of the more than 50 million uninsured today. Yet projections suggest that roughly 23 million will still be without insurance in 2019, while healthcare costs will continue to skyrocket.
Twenty-three million Americans still without health insurance after health reform is implemented? This is unacceptable. And that is why, this week, Representative Jim McDermott and I are announcing the re-introduction of the American Health Security Act, recognising healthcare as a human right and providing every US citizen and permanent resident with healthcare coverage and services through a state-administered, single payer programme.
Let's face it: until we put patients over profits, our system will not work for ordinary Americans.
It is incomprehensible that drug companies still get away with charging Americans twice as much, or more, than citizens of Canada or Europe for the exact same drugs manufactured by the exact same companies. It is an outrage that insurers still often hike premiums 20%, 40% and 60% a year on individual policy holders; and some insurers still spend 40 cents of every premium dollar on administration and profits while lavishing multimillion-dollar payouts on their CEOs.
It boggles the mind that approximately 30% of every healthcare dollar spent in the United States goes to administrative costs, rather than to delivering care. We must do better. Taiwan, for example, spends only a little over 6% of GDP on healthcare, while achieving better health outcomes on some key indicators than we do; yet they spend a relative pittance on administrative costs.
I am very proud that my home state of Vermont is now taking big steps to lead the nation in healthcare by moving forward on a plan to establish a single payer healthcare system that puts the interests of patients over chasing profits. The American Health Security Act would make sure every state does the same - taking profits out of the equation by implementing a single payer system, but letting each state administer its own programme, according to strict standards, in a way best suited to its needs.
The goal of real healthcare reform must be high-quality, universal coverage in a cost-effective way. We must ensure, to as great a degree as possible, that the money we put into health coverage goes to the delivery of healthcare, not to paper-pushing, astronomical profits and lining CEOs' pockets.

 

Another pissed off millionaire:

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12703-applebees-ceo-and-millionare-zane-tanko-vs-working-americans

 

How is it different?

I think healthcare should be available to all, not only those that pay taxes, because I don't quite understand the concept of allowing a human being to suffer when the resources exist to help.

 

I don't support ObamaCare, and I don't know why one would. It's an extra obligation, they're not ending war, or this unconstitutional "War on drugs," to get that money, however they are taxing (everyone) a shitload more money.

And I'll always disagree with giving those federal assholes more money, even if it's supposed to help us.

Our own founder, Thomas Jefferson said,

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."


And,

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

 

As far as I know, no one in the middle class is being taxed for Obamacare, so I don't really care that some higher income people are paying a little more.

 

well that's pretty much standard for a pizza delivery driver, for any pizza company. since they make most of their money from tips, like a server, they are only required to be paid around $3.85 (varies a bit depending on state, it's half of minimum wage).