Papa John Is Mad About Obama Care

That's really not bad if you include tips.

 

He should shup.

 

Some people are just ASTOUNDED that there are those of us that want to see a proven system-single pay--be brought to fruition here. They don't get it--and they certainly don't FEEL it.

" I'm notta gonna pay for someone elses healthcare. Fuck 'em. (what? I'm covered too? Well--well well -I don't give a shit-I'm not payin'. Fuck me too!!!" I've heard this sterling logic more than once.

You cannot buy empathy or common sense. It's inside you or not.

 

True.

I'd rather pay extra taxes for this than another war.

 

Taxes pay to get the potholes fixed, what would happen a person needed stitches? Wait til the hole got bigger?..

 

But you shouldn't have to force it on people either. If you feel like you have a moral obligation to help someone, then you can do that!! I just gave money to a homeless man this evening, people help friends etc.

But what gives the government the right to take money from me, and give it to a corporation that I don't approve of!

Liberals always talk about "Low wages," caused by "evil corporations." Meanwhile, New York State taxes, for a regular guy like me, making 9.75 an hr, was 100 dollars out of every 500 dollars!!! That's 20% in taxes for a full time student busting his ass long hours for shit!!! To pay for someone elses food, school or, healthcare. When I needed all those things and couldn't afford it on my salary.

It's fucking slavery!!! 20% of what I worked for, should NOT go to the collective. Fuck the collective!!! I am entitled to the money I earned!!!

 

You're right. We should dress up as indians and dump much needed medical supplies into the ocean.

Or live with it and realize you may need food, school, and healthcare someday.

 

As far as I know a franchise is the same as any other business. Ya the new health care law applies to businesses with 50 or more, I was talking about now.
Honestly, I can't find any law that spells out that health coverage is different for full vs part time employees. I have the feeling that it's just how businesses do it. At my company (which is nationwide) we all can opt into coverage, the few part timers just have to pay more but its the same insurance. I know there's many variations.

But I bet when the 50 and over provision kicks in they will make each franchise a seperate business so they don't have to give access to health care.

Exactly. Your money is your loudest vote.

Sorry but that's incorrect. I'm no lawyer and it's hard to be up on labor laws but I'll give you an example.
I'm in the transportation industry (subject to the Railway Labor Act) and the only thing that guarantees us overtime is our union contract. We currently get paid overtime and doubletime, the doubletime is going away with a new contract (being hashed out in bankruptcy court). CA requires doubletime pay in certain circumstances but we will no long receive it. State law SHOULD trump fed law most times as I understand it but it doesn't. I found out about the overtime law in our business directly from the DOL a few years ago.

Here's the law in CA. They define full-time, but I can see no definition of part time unless you just make the inference that anything under 40 is part time. Reference 515(c)
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=lab&group=00001-01000&file=500-558

K, but all this is about OT, not full time/part time which is what we were talking about as far as benefits. I can't find a thing that says full time workers get benefits, part timers dont, or have to pay more. Again, I think that's just what employers choose to do.

Alot of retail union contracts have that provision. My ex gf works for Ralphs/Krogers. They do exactly the same.

The only reason I can find that they want less full timers that they give benefits to, is because that is their policy to give better benefits to full timers. Again, I can't find a law that regulates full time vs part time benefits. It's their policy to give better benefits to full timers, and also to have more part timers that dont get them.

Right. Better financial performance for the store manager on up to the top. They have theirs, fuck the people doing the front line work.

Can't blame ya there... and speaks highly of your values and morals.

No wonder you didn't fit in :2thumbsup:

Reminds me of something I often wonder.. why is it that universal healthcare is considered by many on the right to be socialist, but not public education, the military (one of the biggest socialist systems we have, I.E. the V.A) medicare... (oh, highest percentage of right-wingers are retired on medicare, oh right) bridges and roads, etc.
Because it's socialism when it's something for someone else. When it's for you, it's a right?

Exactly. I make an effort to patronize businesses that operate closer to my beliefs, not farther. I don't eat chic fil a either. And bank with a credit union, not Chase or BofA. Not perfect but I make an effort. I wish more people did.

Lastly, about the negative Obamacare comments... I too don't like it. The biggest problem with healthcare in this country is insurance companies. They were the biggest lobbying group in the writing of that law, so it's no surprise it went the way it did. I fear the biggest winners in all this are the insurance groups.
I'm still developing my beliefs on whether health care is or should be a basic human right. I've read arguments, still working on that. But one thing I am firm on, it's morally reprehensible for insurance companies to be involved the way they are, and worse still to be in it to make a profit.
Whether or not health care access should be universal or not, insurance companies should not be in it for profit. It corrupts the entire process.
That's the single biggest argument for single payer... but I'm on the fence about that concept too.

But ya, fuck Papa John.

 

Not through government. We don't NEED government, esp not bad government, and that's what we have.

You can attack my views all day long, but if people need healthcare that bad Republicans can cut the wars, or democrats can cut social security.

Stop stealing from the middle class in order to finance the poor and rich of this country, otherwise there will be 2 classes VERY poor or VERY rich. and that's what has been happening.

Liberals talk about expanding government all day long, but never talk about CUTTING it!!! As a matter of fact, I never hear you really talk about ending the wars much since Obama.

Actually all I really hear out of you is:

1 blaming republicans for everything.

2 defending Obama's every unjust action.

Funny how things like Civil Liberties, ending the drug war and, the unjust wars, suddenly doesn't matter when the president is black.

 

Fuck the collective? If someone was dying in the street would you step over them and go the other way?

That is what we do en masse when, as a collective (meaning EVERY American citizen) we do not DEMAND single payer affordable health care for all.

Fuck the collective? News flash!! You are part of a collective, the human race!!!

Call me crazy, I am my brothers & sisters keeper. I am only as strong as the weakest member of our society. Helping and supporting each other only makes us all stronger. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

Dude, who are you talking to when you refer to 'liberals'? Because this board is more left than right and I'd say that the majority of posters here have issues with Obama, and a good chunk reject both political parties

 

I'm talking Neo-Liberal Obama-obsessed Liberals. There seems to be a lot of those kind out there. Actually, it's the majority of Liberals I'd say. But I meant no offense to you personally, and I'm sorry if I inadvertently did so!

 

Thats state tax man.
If you don't like what your state politicians are doing, vote the fuckers out.
Besides, think about at all the benefits you get from living in one of the cultural centers of the world...maybe you don't even realize...Mabey you can't take advantage of what New york has to offer because like many who would love to,
you can't afford to live there.

There are plenty of places cheaper to live, and you are absolutely free to move.

 

On this forum, who fits that description? It's not many.

Your posts are always so aggressive and angry. You're clearly just looking to yell at people who you don't agree with and tell them why they're wrong, not actually discuss anything with an open mind.

 

yup, there's always a loophole.

 

Not exactly so... I've heard Obama talk about cutting government all the time. He just doesn't do much of it. And on the other hand, the biggest increase in government since the New Deal was under Bush Jr, so it plainly not a repub/dem thing. How much talk about Social Security did you hear out of Romney? Not a damned thing, lest he alienate a large portion of his older-angry-white-middle class base.
Again, it's only socialism when it's something someone else wants.
Romneys biggest demographic has a large percentage of medicare and social security recipents. No wonder he lost. Damn 47% moochers.

 

rjhangover and about 10000 people who never make it past 10 posts.

 

But NY has that same type of policy, it's a blue state. So NY has a BIG government that provides for the "needs" of the people, including healthcare. Also, though, it was also Social Security and other federal programs like that. Yet honestly, I wish I could opt out of those even!!!

Seriously, I don't see social security being benifical, and I think citizens should be able to opt out of paying for these types of programs which they don't want or need.

If someone comes to me on the street and says "Do you want to buy an umbrella?" I'd say "No, I'm okay, I already have one." But this is government literally forcing you to buy an "umbrella" if you will, that you may or may not need.

 

It doesn't bother me to pay a little extra along with 52% of other voters.

So no matter how this argument goes I'll always be 3% right.

 

So I am going to assume you are:

Independently wealthy
or
Have a retirement plan in place NOW, even though you are young
or
Have kids that will take care of your every need
or
Don't plan on living a long life

America: where people argue about caring for the elderly and the ill.


PS- Ayn Rand, the libertarian idol of the moment, who rallied against all kinds of social assistance programs, spent her elder years collecting social security.

http://www.alternet.org/story/14972...al_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them

A lot us of are, or will get old my dear.