Papa John Is Mad About Obama Care

pensfan13:

 

Exactly, and in a competitive free market system, the motivation is to fill the needs and wants of a greater sized consumer base at a more affordable price which allows higher profits while satisfying the needs and wants of a great many more persons, without need of government subsidies paid for by the taxpayers.

 

Six Bucks an hour.......Ok......suppose he doubled it, to Twelve bucks? Would that be sufficient wages to purchase a home in your community, get married, start a family, I'd say NO.

How about tripling it: to Eighteen bucks an hour. Would that be enough to pay child care or fund your IRA. Round it up to $20.00 per hour, Could you afford a stay-at-home spouse AKA June Cleaver to raise your family while you worked?

No because Pizza delivery men work 16 to 24 hours a week. Driving pies is not a full time job, they work dinner time hours only. It's a fools argument. I am Not saying that The OP is foolish, or that the underlying sentiment is foolish, it just needs a deeper dive.

Previously, I ranted about the Tax write off the mansion provides.

Each employee is a tax liability with greedy Goverment laying payroll taxes on the Employer per each employee. Even pizza drivers.

Would that The Fed reorient its tax structure to tax employment less, and tax conspicuous mansions more we would have more employment and less mansions.

The tax write-off for real estate tax and mortgage interest never was for subsidizing consumption on this scale.

 

I wonder how big Jay Leno's garage is, he owns about 100 cars and about 90 motorcycles.

All I've been able to find out is that it is 17,000 sq ft.

Who else has many cars and a large garage? Maybe we need to identify all of them.

 

Agreed- greater wealth transparency for the common good of society.

 

Leno owns approximately 190 vehicles, of which about 90 are motorcycles

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/cars/


Owner: BIG DOG GARAGE LLC
Total land value: $1,248,003
Total building value: $782,976
Total value for property: $2,030,979
Recording date: 11/24/2008
Year built: 1980
Effective year built: 1985
Area of property: 21,184 square feet
Assessment for fiscal year: 2008/2009

 

Thanks, I was being facetious, but I'm wondering just how outthere2 might find value in having that knowledge and to what use it might be put?

 

No value so far.

A few: http://www.carbuzz.co.uk/blog/The-worlds-most-famous-car-collectors

 

And all this excitement, anger and grief over a miniscule 22 car garage?

 

*shrugs shoulders*

 

Outthere. Im not against it.(almost any system would work if it was run properly) If i could change a few things though i would do away with stocks and investors. It would slow down progress but wouldnt stop it. Of course political contributions should have never started. There are a few more things but the bottom line is life has never been completely equal for any species on the planet since the beginning of time and the majority have pretty much always suffered. Anyone reading this is living as good as a king did a few hundred years ago. I find it hard to worry about what others have when i cant complain about what i have.

 

I'm taking that to mean that you are 'for' a society that favors wealth –is that correct?

But what if the society that favors wealth results in short-term profit taking over long-term global stability and peace?

 

Well, there are people who refuse to work, and instead, live off of the government. It's a real problem here in America because the way our entitlement system is set up. The less you contribute to society, the more money you will make!! If you don't work, you get foodstamps. And women with more kids get more government money. It's just not right when people in those families are usually physically able to work, they're just lazy.

That's what I mean by "nanny state." People who wrongfully live off other peoples money.

?? Idk.. Maybe, people see cameras and just act stupid cause they're on TV?

Well the poor just live off of the system. The government likes to make them comfortable so they need government, and don't revolt. The rich steal our tax money, they get dirty corporate money and, they get bailouts paid for by you and I, which they don't have to pay back. It's a fake economy for fake trillionaires.

 

I think that we had true capitalism back in those days. Unfortunately, the military-industrial complex already hijacked our government by 1945. But the free market economy as defined by austrian economics. Capitalism is a good system because people can build from the ground up, invest in something that would go up and, eventually afford the white house with the picket fence, the alleged "American dream." I agree it's not like that anymore.

This is where we differ. Capitalism didn't cause this problem- it was some select corporations, AND the government. Regulating the market, the caused the housing crisis that put many people on the streets, they print money, bailout the banks, Aide foreign governments including Iraq. It's like wtf is going on here! That isn't the place of government! I also don't believe we should support any politician sponsored by Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan.

I would argue again that, my beliefs are by no means concurrent with government policies. I think the military-industrial complex is tied into government, and that's Americas true issue.

Well, I would simply disagree. With a government like America's who wastes our tax money like they do, I think government is the problem. The reason why I still feel this way is because back in the 40's and 50's when you're talking about; capitalism was alive and well, it was government who was more limited and restrained.

 

obama care will bankrupt america

 

Your observations are from someone who lives in New York City. My family is from Philadelphia and they say the same things as you. I think large cities are heavily targeted and influenced by pro-corporate, anti-government propaganda.

So is the problem 'government' or 'some corporations and the government'?

 

I'm curious to know what race you are and what news sources you read or listen to (if you're okay with sharing that information).

 

It's the government that spreads propaganda, and usually through news stations like CNN and Fox. I watch indepedant reporters who feel similiar to me, or at least feel like there's too much government.

But, in a country that kicks in your door and shoots your dogs, terrifying babies and, everyone in the house, all in the name of "fighting a war on drugs" Now, that's being converted to the war on terror, with all these new laws. People just need to draw a line in the sand, and stick to it.

And I believe sticking with the constitution is our best bet; it was made to limit government power, and protect the people.

Yeah, well it's big Banks, oil industry, Arms Dealers etc. who make money in times of war, who manipulate the America public with fear to cause more war and instability. The politicians are just the puppets of a corporate world-government, which controls the natural resources.

That's why we really took Gadaffi out. We couldn't have someone dare contest the beloved Dollar, could we?

 

On that, I agree 100%.

 

StpLSD25:

Then I guess government isn't doing so well spreading their propaganda in your neck of the woods.

But corporations are doing a heck of a job spreading their propaganda though.

I think you're referring to New York City. It's not that way where I've lived.

Since "politicians are just the puppets of a corporate world-government, which controls the natural resources," why not put the blame where it is due?

I'm with you on that one. By the Dollar, corporations live, government moves, wars are fought –everything else is bullshit.