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Yeah fair enough about the 'were two fight, two are guilty' thing, but I really tried (at first) to not even go to good or bad interpretations. I did not want to imply it is more worth conforming to the conversation partner by definition, just that conforming to a dated stereotypical lingo is done on a voluntarily basis and perceived as such. So the person using it should at least accept/understand other people don't have the same associations or use for it.

 

haha this post is great

 

So what lingo do I use that you or other's can't dig man? Much sixties terminology is still in use today. Is it really that hard to get my vibe?

 

I agree with this and I'd like to add to it. One thing that people say all too often is "ya know?" or "do you know what I mean?" While its sometimes ok, it mostly removes responsibility from the speaker and puts it on the listener to draw their own conclusions. If you have a feeling, or something to say...take the time to think it out before rambling.

 

It's not about digging it or not as I explained. It's just that you should be aware and accept that other people perceive such lingo by their own associastions and that they differ from yours. I'm not sure how hard it is for other people to get your vibe but I know for a fact you have been misinderstood on here (the word is the word etc.). So being aware that another person is not up to date with the lingo of a past subculture or what certain phrases mean (despite sounding cliché) and may even find it silly or annoying that you insist on using them repeatedly is only advisable.

 

I'm sure that the Dude would abide.

*ahem*

I'll shut up.

 

Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.

 

xD

 

I don't really see how talking about the word being the word doesn't make sense to people, man. I mean do words really matter? I don't think so, not beyond basic human reasoning. Words are just what we use to describe what we understand as a species. Nothing more. For example just because you call a walrus a walrus is that what it really is, man? Maybe I should start a thread on this...... eh probly not cause if ya'll don't get the basic intent then it's probly best left alone.

 

no comment

 

I think we have come at the core of the issue my young padawan! Words matter if people want to make themselves clear and get their point across. If you don't care about getting a point across I guess words don't really matter indeed

edit: if you really don't see how such a sentence as in the example of the word is the word doesn't make sense to someone else without explaining it to them than that is the core issue naturally. You should accept that it doesn't immediately make sense to someone else.

 

What is the use of lingo but for communication? Our personal vernacular is locally impressed and the fact that we are conversing in english does not mean the same associations appear for each of us upon hearing the same word. It takes time to develop a common vocabulary particularly when discussing things at a more profound or nuanced level. If we discard a particular idiom as artificial then we miss what it might communicate beyond that designation.

It is almost in this instance like we are irritated by the ingenuous quality of a waitress calling us "dear". No need to be irritated, she really didn't mean anything by it .

 

A word is a symbol for a thing or condition not the thing or condition itself. Having said this a word has no meaning absent it's experiential conjugations.
We communicate by virtue of common experience as obviously uncommon languages can be learned.

 

Well, I don't see how that is similar at all. The waitress doesn't mean anything by it but Indie was trying to say something. The meaning of what he was trying to say was lost because he seems not to recognize the way he put it isn't clear to the people he was conversing with.

 

Regardless what the waitress meant, she would be surprised that the word dear might be given connotations that she did not intend. In the same way I can see where someone might say it is beyond them why someone would not comprehend a particular expression in the way that they meant it. We can iron the wrinkles out of meaning though through question as opposed to conclusion.

 

I can see that as well. So when someone makes it apparent they did not understand the other wouldn't it be more useful to reword it in order to be understood...? I've asked you to do the same at times and every time you reworded it it made more sense to me. The word is the word man, don't you just see!?

 

So what don't you understand about any of my previous comments?

 

I for one just got into this thread and for some reason took it upon me to explain what NoxiousGas noticed at first. I did not get the word is the word comment either and I also don't understand how you can say words don't matter when you want to bring a point across, but the main thing I am posting all these replies here is because I am reacting to you and thedope
I basically have been explaining the same thing over and over here or so it seems to me:

 

Yes. At the same time it is him that is asking for understanding when he says he doesn't understand. It takes time sometimes to get beyond our disbelief to come to an understanding.

Perhaps he would understand that to define a word using the same word as definition doesn't lead to any expanded description or communal recognition and is purely self referential. In the absence of significant explanation a word is a word only by virtue of the fact that all words are words.

 

Understanding that other people don't understand words in the same way is good and fine. That doesn't mean that sharing in whatever way should be shunned or laughed at. It would seem that most modern discussors on these forums don't wish to put in any effort to learning from anything that is really said, man. They just want it spelled out for them. Petty insults are an ever growing problem that I don't recall from my previous time here. This place is a lot more on edge in certain areas. Also it should be fairly obvious as to why I use words even though I don't add any neccesary value to them. It is the only way for a human being to communicate when typing.