Perma-High :(

well, i've had my blood pressure checked and that's all fine.
so i dunno.

 

Ive been perma-fryed for a while, i just continue eating it. It doesnt seem to get any worse as long as i space it out so why not.

For instance, i havent eaten acid in like 3 weeks and im still high

 

Havent eaten acid in two or three months and I'm still fried, had a flashback earlier tonight my whole field of vision was filled with patterns and I lost balance and started having a freaky DP/DR fit, but I fixed it with beer and cigarettes. when I realized I perma-fried I quit eating acid regularly to semi regularly to almost none, occasional eating of homegrown mushies, but mnainly to get the feelings not so much to trip out anymore.

 

Its true that after lsd you will never be the same again but that's in more of a spiritual sense...the moving objects and different sounds can last over a month after your first time but thats only because you found something you hav never seen before and are just remembering it...that will definately go away with time.. your way of thinking and perception of the world will never change though, but i doubt you will ever want it to. lol!

 

Is perma-high very common? I'm planning on doing my first acid soon, and should I expect messed up vision fields for a month or so afterwards? Or is this relatively rare to first timers?

P.S. I've never done shrooms either.

 

Ricochet, I think after one trip you won't have any lasting effects for a month. For instance, I tripped balls off 2c-E (first psychodelic ever) and I didn't have any complications. Same goes with my first shroom trip.

However, after a month of using acid very very frequently, I'm still having some HPPD symptoms such as static vision and afterimages. It's gone down considerably though.

I highly doubt you will have any lasting effects from one trip.

 

The reason you think you never come off of a trip is because acid never leaves your body. I hate to say it but its not magic its all chemical. Learn how to crack your back the right way and the super thought process will go away after doing it a few times.

 

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not true acid is metabolized within 2-3 days, all of the "it stays in your spine forever" stuff is nothing but propaganda.

 

Not true. I know from personal expierience that it stays in your spine. Its either that or the human mind is powerful enough to enduce an acid trip from twisting your back.

 

The human mind is quite amazing isn't it

 

I find I can induce hallucinations through meditation and really, this is not abnormal at all. It's actually just as hindu philosophy describes high states of meditation. When you get to deep states of meditation your vision SHOULD be altered. In fact it's described over and over by many people for thousands of years. It's actually what the whole act of scrying is (google scrying) you stare at something and focus on it so intently that you essentially start to hallucinate and see things, this is what the whole thing with the crystal ball and fortune tellers is about. In fact a big gauge of how far into meditation I am is how weird things look through my eyes.

Really, many people do not realize that mere meditation can get you all the way to hallucination and even full on out of body experience. Like it's not just a toy in comparison to LSD. It is quite the real deal. And that is SUPPOSED to happen.

It may be shocking and somewhat jarring to realize that, not only are your thoughts and concept of self held in place by what you want. But inherently, every single aspect of your vision and all sense are held in place by you. If you learned how to stop holding in view your concept of the "real physical world" it would melt away. The only reason you see as you do is because thats how you want to see. People who make contact with spiritual entities and see them are seeing them because they want to see them. They are either conciously or unconciously being willed to see it.

Question (thread starter), merely take up the act of some yoga and meditation. Just for like 5 minutes everyday stretch every which way you can to get out all the tension. Then sit down cross legged, breath slowly and just focus on bringing back what you consider "LSD HPPD" or "LSD leftovers". Do not try to suppress these things. Do not talk to these things asking them to go away. Merely sit quietly and observe them, don't think about them, don't rationalize what they are, dont attach ANY meaning to it whether it be words or even imagery. Just sit and observe, forget about it, allow it to come back, feel the feeling of LSD energy all through your body again. Literally, try to induce a flashback, try to induce full on hallucinations. What I am actually describing is straight up what Buddha himself said as well, the state of Dhyana is what you want, you might also like reading about the Vipassana meditation.

Anyways, once you can fully will yourself back into an acid flashback and full on hallucination. You can then conversely, will yourself out of it. You gain complete control over it, it's just like a new way of thinking. Like for example when I draw things now, I merely focus intently on the page until I essentially see what I want to draw. Then I trace it.

All you have found is a new ability of your brain. It is not delusion, it's not any mental illness. You can gain complete control of it and it can be just a new usage of your brain, no different than thinking in words, or visualizing things inside your head. But to do that, you CANNOT be afraid of it, you cannot wish it to leave. Wish it to come stronger, wish it to come so strongly over and over again so you can analyze it, figure out exactly how to induce and gain conscious control of it.

Enlightenment is not the state of numbing things out of your brain or forgetting things. Enlightenment is the state of gaining conscious control of all aspects of your mind, even hallucination. It can all be controlled by your will. But you have to learn to utilize your will by observing it with a quiet stilled mind. You don't talk to "something" to will things for you, you dont use some magick words to do it. You merely quiet your mind and then feel yourself, feel your energy and then do it. I personally like the metaphor of chakra points, you might too.

I also to believe after your first time on acid, you never really do come down, as someone earlier said. it just shows you so much thats so good. It's not as though you can't come down. It's more like, why would you want to come down? My first time on acid I ultimately realized after like 12 hours "You never actually come down off acid, thats what the big secret is about it, WOW". Which after that I got sort of freaked out. But then when I really sat and thought about it I was like. Why the hell would I even want to come down off of acid? It's awesome. Thats like, coming down off your own self. Acid is just YOU extremely strong and in tune with everything about yourself. Coming down off acid is just, coming down off yourself. Really sit down and ask yourself in meditation, would I genuinely want to come down off acid? Truly would you, feel yourself, feel the world around you, feel all the other people around the globe and ask yourself again. Truly do you want to?

There is also an interestin pharmacological aspect of LSD that relates to this. LSD really only touches your brain for like 10 minutes. What then happens in that time is, all the synapses of your brain become undone, they all pull away from each other and disattach. Physiologically, this is what ego loss is, all your synaptic wiring becomes reset. The entire following 16 hour "trip" on LSD is actually just, your synapses reworking back together. The drug is out of your brain in really just 2 hours. This is why it does always stay with you. The effect of LSD is not actually held withing the chemical LSD, it's effect is merely what happens when your brain is no longer synaptically wired up, it's merely you in a completely 100% un-meta-programmed state.

Furthermore, one researcher, Michael Persinger, has found that you can actually induce effects of drugs like LSD utilizing magnetically pulsating electrodes on your head in order to stimulate various portions of the brain. Which really is completely undeniable proof that hallucination is not just a chemical fucking with your brain, but it is truly a natural inhereint ability of your brain. Heres a lecture from Persinger http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5011230863803398434&hl=en

 

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth1.shtml

if you wish to share thoughts from your fantasy world please note thats what they are otherwise people might believe you

 

Seeing patterns on a white backround stayed with me for like 5 months now but that's not a problem I kinda enjoy it. But the first time it really happened to me I was a bit shocked and I didn't know about hppd at that time. It was very ordinary day after some time from my last lsd and I woke up that morning knowing that I have to go to bank and finish some other things but as I stood up from the bed everything started moving like a blanket and objects were moving from me. So I was a bit concerned thinking: What the f... was wrong with me. And I knew I had to go and do my responsibilities for that day but I was feeling off balance. Well somehow I picked up myself and did what I had to using the objects around to lean on them so that way I was sure they won't runaway from me Only after, when I came back home my friend told me about hppd and than I was happy that nothing is wrong with me and continued enjoying it. The next day I was fine.

 

RYGOODY your post is filled with infinite wisdom. Best post ever. (if you have better posts to show me anybody, link it). I recently came to terms with this school of thought before reading your post. My new favorite thing is to take long walks in nature in the pitch black hours and meditate while walking. I love being able to shift my vision and appreciate my own minds visual capabilities. Walking in nature alone in the dark is the best meditation technique and the best way to learn things for me.
People here talk about perma highs that last for months. Here is my story. I took acid about 5 times. Never any lasting effects. One day someone very close to me got a sheet of the best stuff ever in my city ever. Everyone I know is still triping from this batch. I took 3 hits off of this sheet about 1 year ago. It was so intense I lost all contact with reality after 40 minutes and woke up the next day remembering nothing but walking through the desert (never actually been there). I tripped for 8 months so bad that I became a burden on my family and everyone still calls me crazy. I finally came to terms with it and wow my life is different. I pretty much woke up for the first time and my life completely changed. I even quit my horrible drug addictions which weree ruining my life the day after i took the 3 hits. I still can trip whenever I want by meditating. just 1 month ago I didnt even have to meditate, I could just instantly turn tripping on and off. But for the first 8 months I couldnt stop tripping and got lost in fantasy worlds which would change week to week. Some of them were quite schizzophrenic and i was terrified for a good deal of the time, but overall the trip saved my life. Life really sucked before this acid trip!

PS: Nothing is the way it seems

 

wow tripping for 8 months?

could you please elaborate a little more on what thats like? What emotions or thoughts did you go through? Cause certainly everyone around you would be saying schizophrenic for sure. Which even if, I would say a shaman is merely a controlled schizophrenic.

But I still do fear the day something like that may happen to me, so I'm just wondering, what took you through it? Hows it been since you came to terms with it?

 

rygoody,

That post mirrors my thoughts on the subject exactly. Science has failed my generation, or we've evolved beyond it's confines. My problem with cold science is that it tries too hard to grasp at the shadows created by the real, the metaphysical. Most scientists are still just guys in the cave, doing experiments and testing their hypothesis of the images on the wall while others are exploring the great wide open outside.

Science requires too much blind faith for me, I can't close my mind that much to say "gravity is blank blank" or "the way we evolved is ___" with 100% certainty. For all I know, gravity is just another myth we pass on to comfort ourselves.

So that's why I've never trusted science all that much, going back to maybe high school or earlier. That's when I began questioning the nature of "facts". Anything as deeply rooted in these facts as conventional science is questionable to me.

Don't get me wrong, I use math and science like many others do, because they seem to work for me most of the time, but I'm also not surprised at all when science fails us and things happen that defy all explanation.

 

I took acid for the first time a little over three months ago and I definitely feel a change in my life still..

During the first week after, I felt very existential - I didn't have a "bad trip" per se, but the experience showed me some things about myself that I wasn't too sure about. Then, for the next month or two, I kept some visual aspects of acid with mild morphing (somewhat enjoyable). Lately, I've been looking back to that night and thinking more about the mental effects of it and how I've come to learn more about myself by analyzing my train of thought.

 

At first I couldnt sleep at night. I believed that the govt was trying to capture me and actually some things which happened I have been told were just dreams. Other realities which became true to me for a month or so include a reality where women are at war with men. I sometimes would drift off into sleep and have vivid dreams about real life situations. It didnt rain in my location for about 5-6 months after I took the 3 hits. The first reality which I was convinced was true was a matrix reality. This lasted 2 months. I was terrified because nothing could be real. I still dont believe that the technology the public is aware of is anything close to what is regulating the planet, but much of my time I still ponder solipsim and acceptance of the fact that It is probable that nothing exists outside of my mind. My old calculus teacher always told our class that everything that was ever created is mathmaticall already here and that technology has peaked, but we are stuck believeing that we can invent more for whatever reason. This is most likely true. I have decided that this is no longer scary, it is the best possible thing that could be. I immediately stopped believing in coincidence. That is to say, Every thing in my life was a sign to me for 8 months. Everything from television programs to pieces of trash in the road would tell me something very significant about life in response to my thoughts. Everything i ever noticed was a direct response to a thought or question in my mind. People walking down the street would sometimes stop and talk with me for a few minutes whom I had never met. We would be talking on metaphysical levels as if they were spirit guides. I noticed many things about the physical world which broke boundaries of physics. Cars can disapear in front of me. Every structure I look at seems as though it is a cardboard cut out popping out at me. Many objects and people have distinct halos of light which surround them. I would notice shafts of white or red light which stretch from the ground to space which tell me about a place. I had many close personal spirit guides, some whom I had been partially acquainted with beforehand. I question whether some of these people are actually human. The majority of the realisations I had I dare not type in here. The most valuable thing anyone can realise is that selfishness is the poison of the weak. The more selfish you are, the less aware you become. Every person who acts out in a less than pleasing manner or acts selfish is trapped in a sad world and needs help. Criminal justice is all wrong. People who do things which upset others have a serious mental deficiancy. Anyone who wants to punish someone for their selfish or evil acts also has a problem. They are in need of help and their existance is slavery. Physical government is a big joke, it is as if it is theater piece. Most real life situations actually seem as though people are acting. All we know is what we percieve around us so it is almost impossible not to be acting. Everyone learns their actions from others. Philosophy is the only true knowledge. It is any enlightened persons job to try peacefully to educate others about why selfishness hurts them and drags down everyone else. Scientifically, Stress from negative mental energy is the true cause of most cancer and disease. A single fealing of anger damages your body and mind for over a week and that is a proven fact. Conversely, 20 minutes spent appreciating nature will raise your immune system 400% for the following week. You control your own feelings, dont let the chemical rections in your brain which produce negative energy such as anger control your life. The goal is to feel content or better at all times and to never let anything in this false physical world change your feelings of joy and acceptance and love. If you can stop yourself from feeling negative 100% of the time it will rub off on everyone around you eventually. Not everyone wants to be saved, in fact most people seem to listen to no one but themselves. Allow their negative energy to pass through you and be unnafected. Pride is one of the hardest things to let go that enslaves you. You must let go of all negative energy and pride and respond to every situation with absolut purity to recieve mental heaven and infinite wisdom. You will notice changes in your own intelligence if you continue down this path. Suddenly you carry the burden of the fact that many people are stuck like glue in feelings of negativity rooted in animal selfishness which enslave them. You also realise that facts are not facts, nothing can be proven. Anything you learn can also be proven incorrect, yes even all math. Every person creates their own reality in their mind. Why not create a reality of infinite joy and love? If you believe something to be true it is true. That is what makes it true. Anyone who disagrees has negative baggage of selfishness/pride and has not yet broken out of mental slavery. We all share the same energy field on this earth. Our thoughts effect everyone we know. This is hard to believe but if you really focus you will see that it is impossible for this not to be true. Focusing on a single thought always causes the people you know to think about your thought without any physical communication. Remember heaven is on the earth and it is up to every person to create their own heaven. Physical things will never make you content. The strive for things is your slavery. You need nothing but food. Sex, money, items, all of these things cause false chemical pleasure in your mind, you are a drug addict if you want them, but really you only want them because someone told you that you want them. You saw a false reality where everyone strives for something in the media and in your life so you tried hard to be like everyone else. Individuality is a lie. Society and government is based on lies which were fabricated to control you. Reprogram yourself to be content with nothing but food and you will see that you were a brainwashed slave. People on this forum are trying hard to do that or already have.

 

I have a perma-high in the sense that after tripping in the dark, for some reason my focus in the dark is never quite the same. When the lights are out in my room and I'm going to bed, if I look around and an area of the room is slightly lit or very dim, I can see whatever is visible wiggle a bit. When I am in a car and look out the window things seem to stand still for a split second and then continue, kind of like low FPS / lag but in real life, lol. However most of this is not even close to annoying, but can be a bit bothersome knowing I may never be 100% normal again. Not to mention my weed high has never been the same, but not to say that it is worst, it's quite impressive. But to get some what of that 'trip anxiety' back everytime I smoke can be a burden at times. But ofcourse any trip anxiety is strictly from me and because of how I am when I trip, not something everybody will have.

 

Ma DP is way down, woohoo! better not say any more for it may hear me and think it'll all cool to come back, but it aint cool DP sucks ass, it's bro DR is still hangin around, when DR's gonna leave who knows.