yeah, I know what the hell is up with that? so she thinks its wrong to form a strong and loving bond with an animal? give me a break. When I get a horse, I'm going to give it the best love and care as I possibly can. [I'm so forming a kickass bond with this future horse ] Would you rather have that love exist or rather have never had that love being brought into my life and the animals life to never exist? [if that makes sense.. you get what i'm saying? I know, that is such bullshit. My vegan friend [just a side note: she's a supporter of PETA and only a vegan from their propaganda... she doesn't care about animals, really. I told her about a man that beat a puppy to the point where it had to be put down.. she didn't have much of a reaction besides 'oh.. aw.' ... wouldn't a real animal person be disgusted?] so, the vegan friend has an extremely shitty diet. she eats cheap ass chinese food, noodles, and the rest is carbs. oh, and cranberry juice cocktail. Your health could be boosted dramatically even if you did eat meat... more like grass fed beef, and fresh wild salmon [probably the 2 healthiest meats] exactly, all I ask for meat eaters is to eat free-range. to use ethically produced animal products. that's all. I'm not going to try to murder the CEO of a company.
I think they are over zealous nut-bars who, most of the time, do more harm than good to the name of animal rights activists.
also, behindthesun, your friend's shitty diet is her own stupidity, not the way of the vegan. and is this 'grass-fed beef' also beefed up on steroids, like the majority of meat one buys these days?
No, it's not. Not if you know your source. Out here in NC, there's cattle farms nearby that are 100% grass-fed, organic, antibiotic free beef. They raise the cattle on the farm their entire lives (as opposed to buying them from some unethical company). The calves are not taken from their mothers, and they're slaughtered on site. They even invite their customers to come out to their farm to see for themselves. There ARE ethical meat producing companies, you just have to search for them (and have the extra money, since grass fed is always more expensive). See for yourself: http://www.baucomsbest.com/
you're never going to change everyone's mind, nor should you the whole 'i think meat is disgusting, and you should not be allowed to eat it' message just puts people off i have seen a t-shirt: 'peta--people eating tasty animals' they have clearly set people on edge, the same way the nra does, or pro-life groups, or any other strident advocacy groups diet, like religion, should be a personal choice...
i'm not sure what that means is eating a steak abusing an animal? is it 'conspiracy to abuse'? is forcing a steak eater to watch animals being slaughtered abusing a human animal? i don't care for proselytizing from anyone, no matter what their cause i think that working with rather than against food producers and consumers is the most helpful thing
i thought i should explain something regarding my last post talking about abuse of animals is venturing into legalisms legislating morality is something i'm never comfortable with plus, like it or not, people do not have the same moral concerns about animals that they do about each other and you will not change their table habits
to quote your sig we're grown-ups now, and it's our turn to decide what that means me, i will not kill a spider or a fly other people eat dead cows i am a little skeptical about any claims made by that website you linked to, as it is a front for a business-advocacy group, and that sort of group has as poor of a track record for honesty as any sort [money proselytizers]
So... they're forging news articles and official documents? Well, you should report them in that case. I'm not saying they're saints, and quite honestly, I disagree with a lot of the Center for Consumer Freedom's campaigns, but I really don't think Peta is any better. Peta makes a point to force a particular lifestyle, whereas at the very least, CCF encourages you to make your own decisions (what they say at least). They have their slant just like anything else does. This is where using common sense and doing your own research comes in. Bottom line, there isn't one special-interest group in the country that isn't biased in some way. Doesn't mean there isn't any truth to what they say.
like i said, i don't think you can force people to give up anything unless they think it will actually kill them, and even then it ain't easy and i don't trust either side in a propaganda war [though i tend to side with propagandists for the oppressed/voiceless, which would be peta in this case] i don't eat meat because i like animals other people i know who like animals are not ready to take that step so be it
I understand, and I wish I could trust them, but something just feels wrong about them, and the people running the thing seem batshit crazy to me. I'm usually on the side of "make up your own mind," so I guess that's where the other guys' message seems more appealing to me. I'm not going to go out and protest with them, donate to them, or support them in any other way than I just did, but Peta's not getting my money or support either. The closest I come to Peta is supporting the Farm Sanctuary, which is pretty close, but more my style (raise awareness, petition, fundraise for the animals at their shelter). I also support my local Humane Society, who chooses not to give up on housing their animals rather than killing them after they've been there a week.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom you should NOT trust what a PR hack is spoon feeding you. Berman pisses me off enough that I consider giving Peta cash. Then I come to my senses since they do this: http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/12/go_out_in_style.php?c=weekly_enews So, if you want to help individual animals and a quiet, consistent message, check out: http://www.peacefulprairie.org/ this couple are awesome people who work tirelessly.
i feed cat colonies in glendive, break up the ice in the water bowls, hopefully am helping a lady start a shelter here soon i doesn't sound like much but it's a lot of cats, it's already cold as hell, and i'm out there on my fucking bike [frostbite season soon come] yeah, that center for consumer freedom shit--whenever you see the word 'freedom' [especially after the word 'consumer'] it usually means something bad is going to happen...
That coffin thing is wicked creepy... They really will do anything, and that's what freaks me out. I also love how their president has basically has condoned beastiality... "If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it’s great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong…If it isn’t exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong." How the hell is that not abuse?? And yes, CCF is evil. We've established that. Forgive me my blindness posting their article here. Can we move on?
PETA has used up it's welcome for most vegetarians. A vegetarian equivalent to Emeril (BAM!!!) would do more for our cause than they do. They've fallen off the public radar for the most part anyway. No great loss. x
