pitbulls

Discussion in 'Pets and Animals' started by deviate, Jul 21, 2009.

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  1. TheChaosFactor

    TheChaosFactor Senior Member

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    I know what you are saying... and Im talking more to the folks that are saying things like 'they can't be domesticated' haha...

    I got one specifically because I know they're great protectors and loyal as hell.... I can fetch my own shit... but when my dog started following the baby around the house all day I knew he'd be safe from anybody....
     
  2. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    yeah the whole cant be domesticated thing is about as ridiculous as folks saying they would never harm a flea solely on the way they were raised..

    you cannot train instinct out of a animal.you can breed it out of them but you cant train it out of them. put in the right situation they will revert back to instinct.
     
  3. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    this is what i agree with:American Humane understands that any breed of dog can bite, and as such, believes that breed-specific legislation does not effectively protect the community from dangerous animals.

    also, here's a game for you people:
    http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
     
  4. TheChaosFactor

    TheChaosFactor Senior Member

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    I know and that was the attraction for me. I wanted to know that if somebody tried to harm my boys it'd be the last time they tried anything with my boys... no chance of the dog scaring and abandoning them in their hour of need.
     
  5. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    That's stupid, they should also understand that some breeds (pit bulls) bite more than others, and so breed specific legislation would protect the community more effectively.
     
  6. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    well, i gues you lucked out as far as finding a good watch/guard dog in your pitbull. mine would just sniff and try to get a good scratchin'.
     
  7. waukegan

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    dogs spelled backwards is sgod.
     
  8. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    no that's stupid^
    it's not that they bite more, it's that their bites are more damaging. that's why the statistics you find have pits at the top of their list. if you look closely at those lists, they detail the type of bite, if it was damaging, if it was fatal, and if it was an adult/child that was bitten.

    like i said before Canis familiaris is by definition domesticated. humans chose to domesticate dogs, and now we must learn how to deal with them, instead of banning them.
     
  9. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    you don't know that though, it can just snap at any moment.
     
  10. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    Is that a fact, that they don't bite more? I haven't seen any studies, but i know every time you hear about a dog attack, it's almost always a pit bull, they're a dangerous breed. like i said, i dont blame the animal, i blame people who take them out in public thinking they're 'trained'.
     
  11. TheChaosFactor

    TheChaosFactor Senior Member

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    lol He would've ditched me in a second... you couldn't get cross eyed with my boys without him pushing on you or something though...
     
  12. TheChaosFactor

    TheChaosFactor Senior Member

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    One word.... Ratings....
     
  13. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    yes it is a fact that they do not bite more than many other specific breeds. a lot of times when the media sensationalizes these bite stories, they show a picture of the dog and i laugh at the damn t.v. because it's not even a pitbull. you're the exact type of person that perpetuates this type of breedism, jamaicanyut.
    take this quote for example:"In the first place, the dog breed identifications in the reports are dubious at best. Entire categories of bites are frequently not included in the statistics, such as the so-called provoked bites, family incidents, and owner fault. In addition, many dog bites are never reported, especially if they do not require medical treatment."
    "Many jurisdictions force the dog bite reporter to list the dog by breed, but many of these dogs are not purebreds. They are mixed breeds, frequently of unknown parentage. Some jurisdictions will accept a listing of mixed breed but many will not. Is the dog that just bit someone a multiple-breed-Chow mix? Guess what, it will probably be listed as a Chow Chow bite. Own a Hound/Bull dog mix? Chances are good it will be listed as a Pit Bull. This is but one fallacy in such statistics.
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    "The average person can accurately identify less than 30 dog breeds on sight, let alone in a stressful and intense situation like a dog bite. The bite will get reported as whatever breed the people involved think it most closely resembles. Even law enforcement officers, animal shelter workers, and some veterinarians cannot accurately identify many breeds. "
     
  14. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    "There are studies that claim certain breeds are more likely to attack than others. A study by Merritt Clifton, which analyzed serious attacks in the U.S. and Canada between 1982 and 2006, determined that Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios, and their mixes were responsible for 74% of attacks studied and 65% of fatalities.[6][7] Another study indicates that pit bulls and their mixes were involved in approximately one third of the reported human dog bite-related fatalities between 1981 and 1992, while Rottweilers were responsible for about half of those fatalities reported between 1993 and 1996. [7]"

    That's from wiki.
     
  15. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    None of that's a fact, that's just speculation on how pit bulls might not be responsible for as many attacks as people think, no facts in there at all.
     
  16. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    this is what i have said from the beginning,,if their instincts kick in and they attack they will kill. its what they were bred to do.

    it doesnt mean that with a responsible owner who knows what the dog is capable of and therefore treats it as such it will ever happen,but once again put in a situation where they rely on their instincts bad things can,will and do happen.

    and yes those stats are correct..

    http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite
     
  17. vigilanteherbalist2

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    three most aggressive dog breeds:
    http://www.thedogplace.org/Articles/Family-Dog/0901-Most-AgressiveDogs.htm

    "For an entire category of bites, there is no reporting at all. This is for so called provoked bites. Bites that occur at veterinarian offices, dog groomers, and boarding kennels in many counties are automatically declared to be provoked bites. Those that know dog bite statistics from the inside out are those that work with animals for a living. I recently polled a number of animal shelter workers and this is what they said about dog bites. Most of the bites have been by small unfriendly Terrier type dogs and Cocker Spaniels. Occasionally they have seen a larger dog on a bite case but the vast majority of the bites were from small to medium sized dogs."
    "An entire category of bites that erroneously recorded are the truly provoked bites, bites in which the person involved was clearly at fault and not the dog. Bites that occurr when the person bitten was somewhere they should not have been. For example, recently in Maryland a 13-year-old boy was bitten after he was caught leaning over the fence into a person’s yard, teasing the Pit bull contained there. Prior to the bite incident, this boy was warned 3 times to leave the dog alone. The dog owner was having so many problems with people teasing and provoking her dogs that she contacted Animal Control for assistance. Under advisement from the authorities, she ringed her backyard fence with evenly spaced “Beware of Dog” and “No Trespassing” signs. Yet these signs and 3 verbal warnings from an adult witness were still not enough to keep this boy out of the dog owner’s yard. The dog owner has now lost her dog to the authorities and another bite statistic has been entered. "
     
  18. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    You're being fucking ridiculous, flies bite as well, you prepared to say they're more dangerous than pit bulls? Get the fuck out of here with that shit, I've shown you the the real stats, that link you gave is just crap, it's a diversion, pit bulls kill/seriously harm more people, oh but wait, this little Chihuahua nibbles on more ankles! Get fucking real, I'm talking about the real issue, you're just scapegoating.
     
  19. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    lol we have a cocker spaniel and i agree with what you posted.. hes evil lol.he has to be sedated to be groomed lol. but he just bites and runs, i doubt he would kill. but ya never know.. we have to put him up when kids are around for that very reason..

    i would never have bought the dog,he was givento us by someone who couldnt deal with him anymore. better than having him put down,..
     
  20. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    you've shown me wikipedia.
     
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