PMS mood swings, real or fake?

Those women who feel nothing have no idea how lucky they are. I always get cramps, so bad that i am completely incapacitated. I was even rushed to hospital for it once because my pain and migraines were so pain. My vision went for a time because of the migraines and my hands were paralysed It was my body's way of dealing with the shock of the pain, it started to shut down the doc's said. Be grateful for those moments when you do feel okay It can be more than "that time of the month"

 

I have mood swings. I cried yesterday because my boyfriend said he wasnt going to stay over at my place... Now me level headed wouldnt have given a damn... but something in me snapped.

 

If PMS is an excuse, testosterone poisoning should be one, too.

 

I never considered PMS to be an excuse. If I get easily irritated and angry, I'll apologize for my behavior but I never follow it with-but I'm about to start my period, so....

I do know that I get a crazy rush of emotions when I am about to start menstruating. I also get extremely painful cramps. They are quite as bad as before I had children, but it still hurts like crazy. I also get very hot. I basically need to sit in a bucket of ice!

 

It's a legal defence in court.

 

oh it ain't no myth.....i got scars and shit to prove it......

 

You are young. I didn't used to have any kind of bitchiness or mood swings then either. Then around about the time I hit my 30's it started. But I don't get it every month, it seems to be more related to whether my cycle is early or late.

The hormones, they are a-changin'

I don't know anyone who would fake it, it's not like I advertise how my period's coming along....when I know it's hormonal, I just keep it to myself and stay away from triggers, like family gathering.

 

yeah, but a lady can't just do whatever she wants and go into court and say, "oh i have pms, it's okay!" you have to be able to prove beyond a doubt that these hormones make you go really crazy. and some women go REALLY crazy. it can be a defense, but most of the time it isn't going to work. we don't have some 'get out of jail free' card in our bellies. i wish we did, though, because that might have gotten me out of a few speeding tickets...

 

congrats on quitting! i quit for a few months, but i've started again recently... i hope you have better luck than i did. GOOD LUCK!

 

PMS is on the list!

The twelve "female only" defenses

"Women Who Kill Too Much and the Courts That Free Them: The Twelve 'Female-Only' Defenses" excerpted from The Myth of Male Power by Warren Farrell, Ph.D.

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(1) The innocent woman defense

Farrell starts with the innocent woman defense because it underlies all twelve defenses. At first he called this the "Female Credibility Principle" due to the tendency to see women as more credible than men because of being thought more innocent. However, even when women admitted making false allegations that they were raped or that their husbands abused them, for example, their admission that they lied was often not believed. Therefore, he found the belief in the innocent woman ran even deeper than the tendency to believe women.
(2) The PMS defense ("My body, no choice")

In 1970, when Dr. Edgar Berman said women's hormones during menstruation and menopause could have a detrimental influence on women's decision making, feminists were outraged. He was soon served up as the quintessential example of medical male chauvinism. But by the 1980s, some feminists were saying that PMS was the reason a woman who deliberately killed a man should go free. In England, the PMS defense freed Christine English after confessed to killing her boyfriend by deliberately ramming him into a utility pole with her car; and after killing a co-worker, Sandie Smith was put on probation — with one condition: she must report monthly for injections of progesterone to control symptoms of PMS. By the 1990s, the PMS defense paved the way for other hormonal defenses.

Sheryl Lynn Massip could place her 6 month old son under a car, run over him repeatedly, and then, uncertain he was dead, do it again, then claim post partum depression and be given outpatient medical help. No feminist protested.
(3) The husband defense

The film "I Love You to Death" was based on a true story of a woman who tried to kill her husband when she discovered he had been unfaithful. She and her mom tried to poison him, then hired a mugger to beat him and shoot him through the head. A fluke led to their being caught and sent to jail. Miraculously, the husband survived.

The husband's first response? Soon after he recovered he informed authorities that he would not press charges.

His second response? He defended his wife's attempts to kill him. He felt so guilty being sexually unfaithful that he thanked his wife!

He then re-proposed to her. She verbally abused him, then accepted.
(4) The " Battered Woman Syndrome" defense, AKA learned helplessness

Until 1982, anyone who called premeditated murder self-defense would have been laughed out of court. But in 1982, [Denver-based psychologist] Lenore Walker won the first legal victory for her women-only theory of learned helplessness, which suggests that a woman whose husband or boyfriend batters her becomes fearful for her life and helplessness to leave him so if she kills him, it is really self-defense — even if she has premeditated his murder. The woman is said to be a victim of the Battered Woman Syndrome. Is it possible a woman could kill, let's say, for insurance money? Lenore Walker says no: she claims, "Women don't kill men unless they've been pushed to a point of desperation." Ironically feminists had often said, "There's never an excuse for violence against a woman." Now they were saying, "But there's always an excuse for violence against a man... if a woman does it." That sexism is now called the law in 15 states.
(5) " The depressed mother" defense



Baby blues

Remember Sheryl Lynn Massip, a mother in her mid-twenties who murdered her 6-month old son by crushing its head under the wheel of the family car? Massip systematically covered up the murder until she was discovered. Then she testified that she suffered from post-partum depression, or "baby blues."

Her sentence? Treatment.

Mothers do get the baby blues. As do dads. Were the husband to kill his baby, as Sheryl Lynn did, it is unlikely that we would just treat him for baby blues or Save the Marriage Syndrome. Why does her version of baby blues allow her to receive treatment for child murder, when he would receive life in prison for child murder, with or without baby blues?



The terrible twos

Josephine Mesa beat her 2-year-old son to death with the wooden handle of a toilet plunger. She buried the battered child in a trash bin. When scavengers found the boy outside her Oceanside, California apartment, she denied she knew him. When the evidence became overwhelming, she confessed.

The excuse? She was depressed. The child was going through the terrible twos.

The punishment? Counselling, probation and anti-depressants. She never spent a day behind bars.
(6) The "Mothers don't kill" defense

ITEM: Illinois. Paula Sims reported that her first daughter, Loralei, was abducted by a masked gunman. In fact she murdered Loralei. But she got away with it. So when her next daughter, Heather Lee, disappointed her, she suffocated her, threw her in the trash barrel, and said another masked gunman had abducted her daughter. It wasn't until the second "masked gunman" abduction that a serious search was conducted. Only the serious search led to evidence. Might Heather Lee be alive today if mothers did not have a special immunity from serious investigation?

Or see the case of Marybeth Tinning in Patricia Pearson's book When She Was Bad: How and Why Women Get Away with Murder. Marybeth killed nine (9) of her own children and wasn't caught until the ninth one died.
(7) The "Children need their mother" defense

ITEM: Colorado. Lory Foster's husband had returned from Vietnam and was going through mood-swings both from post traumatic stress syndrome and diabetes. They had gotten into a fight and he had abused her. So she killed him.

Even the prosecutor did not ask for a jail term. Why not? So Lory could care for the children. Lory was given counselling and vocational training at state expense.

The most frequent justification for freeing mothers who kill their children is that their children need them. Moreover, if mothers were freed because "children are the first priority," then fathers would be freed just as often. But they are not. Even when no mother is available.
(8) The "Blame the father, understand the mother" defense

ITEM: Ramiro Rodriguez was driving back from the supermarket. His daughter was sitting on his wife's lap. As Ramiro made a left turn, a van crashed into the car and his daughter was killed. Ramiro was charged with homicide. The reason? His daughter was not placed in a safety seat. Ramiro explained that his daughter was sick and wanted to be held so his wife decided to hold her. Yet only Ramiro was charged. The mother was charged with nothing. Ramiro was eventually acquitted after protests over the racism. No one saw the sexism.
(9) The "My child, my right to abuse it" defense

A million crack-addicted children since 1987, but only sixty of the mothers have faced criminal charges. One was convicted. That conviction was reversed by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Three percent of infants in Washington D.C. die from cocaine addiction, but no mothers go to prison. The right to choose means the right to kill — not a fetus but a child.

Should the mother who addicts her child to crack have any more rights than any other child abuser or drug dealer?

How can we give a normal drug dealer a life sentence but claim that a mother that deals drugs to her own child should not so much as stand trial?

If we feel compassion for the circumstances that drove her to drugs, where is our compassion for the circumstances that drove the drug dealer to drugs, the child abuser to abuse, the murderer...?
(10) The plea bargain defense

Once a woman is seen as more innocent, her testimony is more valued, which leads to prosecutors offering the woman a plea bargain in crimes committed jointly by a woman and a man.

And if a District Attorney is up for reelection, the Chivalry Factor allows him to look like a hero when his office prosecutes a man, or portray him as a bully if he should put a woman behind bars.
(11) The Svengali defense

A beautiful woman dubbed "The Miss America Bandit" conducted an armed robbery of a bank. Federal sentencing guidelines called for a minimum of four and a half to five years in federal prison. The federal judge gave her two years because she told the judge that she was in love with her hairdresser and he had wanted her to rob the bank.

The judge concluded, "Men have always exercised malevolent influence over women, and women seem to be soft-touches for it, particularly if sex is involved... It seems to me the Svengali-Trilby relationship is the motivating force behind this lady...the main thing is sex." [Svengali is a fictional character said to have hypnotic qualities of persuasion over the innocent Trilby.]
(12) The contract killing defense: Defend self by hiring someone else

When Farrell did the first review of his files in preparation for a section on contract killing, he was struck by some fascinating patterns.

• First, all of these women hired boys or men.

• Second, their targets were usually husbands, ex-husbands, or fathers — men they had once loved.

• Third, the targeted man usually had an insurance policy significantly larger than the man's next few years income.

• Fourth, the women often were never serious suspects until some coincidence exposed their plot.

• Fifth, the women usually chose one of three methods by which to kill: she (1) persuaded her boyfriend to do the killing (in reverse Svengali style); (2) hired some young boys from a disadvantaged background to do it for a small amount of money; or (3) hired a professional killer, thus usually using money her husband earned to kill him.

An example, Dixie Dyson tucked in her husband for his last night's sleep. She had arranged to have a lifelong friend and a boyfriend pretend to "break and enter," then rape her, kill her husband, then "escape." She would collect the insurance money. At the last moment, the lifelong friend backed out, but the boyfriend and Dixie managed to kill Dixie's husband after 27 stabbings. They were caught. Dixie "cut a deal" to reduce her sentence by reporting the boyfriend and his friend. The friend who backed out got 25 years for conspiracy.

Deborah Ann Werner was due one third of her dad's estate. She asked her daughter to find some boys to murder him by plunging a knife through his neck.

Diana Bogadanoff hired two young men to kill her husband on an isolated nudist beach, while she watched. After he was shot through the head, she reported the killers but produced no motive for the murder — no money was stolen and she was not sexually molested. Diana did not become a suspect until an anonymous caller contacted a nationwide crime hotline. The caller coincidentally heard about the murder on the radio and remembered a friend describing just such a murder he had refused to do...on an isolated nudist beach while a woman named Diana watched. Without this tip, Diana would never even have become a suspect.

 

oh god yes...it exists alright... every fuk'd up major decision i've ever made in my life i was in hindsight suffering from PMS.... walking out on jobs..partners etc.... always just a couple of days before that 'feminine' time of the month

 

hahaha yeah same here!!

 

Well put---I'm pre-menopause(have it earlier than expected) and between the now short periods and these symptoms, It's driving me up a wall-(so to speak)..

 

i read a study once about how most of the murderers and anti-social criminals suffered from a LACK or reduced (less than normal) production of testosterone. the appropriate amount of testosterone leads to better socialization and cooperation.

 

as for baby blues, i suffered that so severely that i was unable to walk out my front door without someone holding my hand. i was just plain sick. thankfully i didn't direct it toward my baby, who was teh only reason i managd to get out of bed. i lived in constant tears and anxiety. i received medical treatment for about 6 months when i finally sought help, and it made me normal again. don't get down on that shit, it does make people crazy.

 

i never have any crazy mood swings or anything like that. lol i guess that makes me a bit unusual. periods seem to have a reverse effec on me. im actually in a better mood, extra nice, and i eat a lot less when i have my period.

 

RE: i read a study once about how most of the murderers and anti-social criminals suffered from a LACK or reduced (less than normal) production of testosterone. the appropriate amount of testosterone leads to better socialization and cooperation.

And yet they won't correct my grossly inadequate natural supply. Go figure.

 

i actually test rather high on the testosterone output. hm.

 

More than me, for sure.

But whereas they basically hand out female hormones to anyone who asks, trying to get it redressed in men is nigh on impossible.

Had mine tested. Below normal. Hm, let's test it again. Below normal. Hm, let's test it again. Below normal. OK, let's try ONE MORE TIME, barely just an ass hair into normal. YAY! You're OK! Get out of my office, you wanna be steroid abuser.

I wish all medicine worked that way. AIDS for example. You just keep testing for it til you come up with a negative, at which point you pronounce someone cured.

 

lol. yeah. i have the same trouble with my blood sugar and thyroid function.