Poor Satan, so misunderstood

So God wants murder, cheating, war, lying, hatred, violence? No He doesn't! The world created all this mess, He is the only way out of it all.

 

I agree, but so many fall through the net. You can't get to heaven whilst indulging in evil, Jesus showed us this and still people seem to have a problem realising it!

 

How can Perfection be so weak that anyone of anything can change it.
From Perfection flows Perfection.

If any follow Satan it is because God, in His wisdom, Has placed this ability within the nature of the individual.

Evil must have a source if we are to learn from it. God provides the source.

Regards
DL

 

No, God gave us the choice. And some will continue to abuse that choice to get what they want.

As humans yes we were born perfect, but by sinning we are disobeying Gods will and pushing Him away, which means we are failing to live up to the standard God created us to.

 

God must want all the evils or He would end them.
He alone has the power.
The fact that He does not end it tells much if we listen.
Could the fact that things are Perfect be the reason He does not interfere?

Regards
DL

 

God creates the standard by the creation of our natures.

We should embrace our natures even as we recognize the little bit of evil in all of us.

Do not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Follow your nature regardless of where it leads.

Regards
DL

 

Absolutly not! Parent's love their children so much that it is best to guide them all you can, but let them make their own mistakes. God is doing the same, He has set examples, will guide you if you ask, but will let you make mistakes so that we learn.

Do you think God will forgive the true evils, Hitler for example, do you think that He created the person Hitler turned out to be? Whatever makes people do those kind of things are far from Godly and have ruined the perfection that God created.

 

Hitler believed that he was doing good, as hard as that is to consider.

 

He exploited His power to get what He wanted, if someone else was in his place - he too would have been killed if it was to be an aryan race. This is what causes this broken world.

 

If you believe in the flood then Genocide is good because God used it.
Can He then look down on a Hitler and condemn Himself as He condemns Hitler?

Perfection cannot be ruined.

Regards
DL

 

Exactly what God is said to have done in the flood.

Regards
DL

 

So you are comparing God to Hitler!

What reason did Hitler have other than evilness, along with power?

The flood shows God's power and how He wants good in the world. He didn't go around killing people because He can.

Your arguement seems to be that God is both good and evil right?

So if He creates evil, why did He send Jesus? I mean all the work Jesus did was pointless if God is creating the evil.

 

You have to understand that Hitler didn't really do that for power; He did it to bring another age of humanity that is superior from the last. Hitler saw it as humanity getting close to God...

The 'lower' races prevented us from growth, so he destroyed everyone that he thought would continue our suffering - For him, the end justifies the means.

 

The message Jesus brought was that He was forgiving all sin and assuring our entry into Heaven.
Exactly what I am saying.
Then, as now, people have forgotten the message.

How easily you say that genocide is OK for God to use but not man.
Is God not to be our example of good.

You still ignored my questions. Are you incapable or just too stuck in your own mind set?

Regards
DL

 

As with God with His use of genocide?

Regards
DL

 

I don't believe in the Bible, so I don't believe God ever used genocide.

But to simply debate, Ya, as with God and his use of genocide. The story of the Bible sadly does parallel with Hitlers Genocide - I don't know how you can ignore that.

 

Yes, He forgives if you trust and follow Him, everyone can be forgiven, but not everyone will.

God is God, He created us, He loved us, He wants to welcome us all into Heaven.

What questions?

 

i think that in reality, god is a tyrant. honestly, satan decides that he doesnt wanna be destined to be forever stuck in his level of heavon's caste system. so he decides to rebel. he was an activist, a hippy. god, being the despot that he is crushed the rebellion and sentenced them to eternal torment. at least Dracula eventually let his victim's punishment end.

also i have issues with the idea of free will in christianity. if satan serves the purpose god intended, then he really had no choice. god created him to endure eternal torment. same could apply to you. christians always say god has a plan for you, well maybe his plan is to have you be a serial killer so you can remind people how bad killing is and then sentence you to eternal torment. there is no such thing as free will in christianity.

these are just some of the reasons i think christianity is a load of crap


sorry if this was already mentioned, i diddnt wanna read the whole thread

 

lol, don't think that was mentioned before.

You have a point Mr. Morrison, and your point is why I'm against following an organized religion.

If there is a devil, then he created organized religion to prevent people from realizing God... seems like an excellent way to get back at God.

 

haha, that sly basterd