I have a very religious friend and he and his parents are doing wonderful things for their fellow human beings, they set up a living/working environment for mentally handicapped people. All this in the name of religion. Could they have done it without religion? Probably, but religion gives them the strenght to actually work for it. And then there are wars being fought over religion, like in this very thread. Nothing is ever black or white. Religion has it's good and bad sides, like every other single thing in this universe. The fact that there is an heated argument going over people beliefs is proof that true understanding and acceptance is still far, far away.
Universal acceptance of an archaic belief system that does more harm than good would not be a good thing.
I am okay with Matt saying supporting Vatican is ignorant. But people like Skip and Maelstorm are just pure haters. Seriously, would a reasonable person say ALL priests were bad or gay or perverts... See, Maelstrom can't even acknowledge that for some people religion is good, some people need it, it does good to some. So how do you talk to closeminded people like that?
Like I said before, I know people who do a lot of good in the name of the Catholic belief. Even though religion in my humble opinion is indeed outdated and just a fairytale to control the masses, it does not mean that it is completely bad.
This is exactly why I condemn organized religions. Because they attract GOOD people, then take credit for their GOOD deeds. Deeds that these good people would've done, without the church. Then it takes these people and warps their minds and turns them against other people simply because they don't believe as they do. Religion doesn't "give people strength". Religion controls their minds into believing fantasies.
No one needs religion. They simply think they need it, when in reality they are perfectly capable of coping without it just as plenty of normal people do.
Religious co-dependency is what it is. And it is a disease that spreads. I find it interesting that so many Christians have no problem suspending logical disbelief to embrace conservative lies like those spread by the Church or Fox News. Don't matter. They are sheep being led to slaughter. How OLD is the earth, Christians? Tell me no lies.
It's Christians that are closed minded... The more religious, the more closed minded. Funny how quick Christians are to call those who point out the logical flaws in their mindset as "haters". It's always US and THEM with religions. If you were open minded, you'd consider all the things I've said. After all, the facts are on my side, not yours. EVERY priest spreads lies and fantasies, not reality.
Again, it's not that black and white. Those people weren't religious all their lives, but some bad things happened and religion helped them through some rough times. And religion made them see that there are needy people out there, so they decided to make a difference for those people. I am fine with the fact that they say it was God who helped them if that gives them strenght to do the things they do, even if I am an Agnost myself. It is the religious fundamentalists who are the real problem, the ones who aren't open for any argument. Not the regular people in the communities who just live their lives with respect for every living being and try to live a good life.
Getting personal again? You seem like a brainwashed fool, but I wouldn't tell you that unless you want to start some mudslinging.
The facts speak for themselves: Intelligence vs Religious Belief from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
i'm hearing that mindset from both "sides". the facts? you claimed that all priests were gay, perverts, pedophiles or criminals but offered no evidence apart from redefining "crime" as simply misleading the young.
I have no idea. I don't really care, to be completely honest. Your opinion and the graph are of no importance to me.