Post-Industrial Revolution Society

Come on bro..........your a mod, you know better than that.......please don't turn my thread into a personal attack on matt...do it somewhere else, don't hijack me

 

er I take that back, a personal attack on matt's ideas, not him personally............this thread is about my ideas............attack me

 

Why do you shills continue to defend a power structure that has continually stymied true human progress, through their playing of both sides against each other?

Because a person dissents and looks to the alternative presses for analysis of current events doesnt make them a conspiracy theorist. I personally dont look for articles that enforce my world view, I look at all types of publications, historical perspectives, people's personal experiences, and form a reasoned picture of what may actually be going on. As for your generalizations about ""conspiracy theorists,"" I know a number of people in my personal life that dont simply cry aloud about the problems caused by the elite globalist world view, they are doing things about it like advocating, organizing, educating, making small contributions to bettering their own communities, standing up for our continually eroding rights.

You guys on the other hand, just resort to name calling and attacking a person's character. What we have here is a failure to communicate.

I accept the fact that evil begotten by greed and avarice is a part of living in this world, but it doesnt mean that I must sit by idly and watch it thrive simply because people on MY block aren't living in subsistence and poverty (yet), for I know that in many other places people are forced to live this way.

I suppose one day I may be jaded and downtrodden enough to resign myself to the futility of fighting such strong societal currents, but today, today I am young and strong and intelligent and I will not remain silent about the abuses of power and neither should you.




Which camp are you flagged for, blue or red?

What we need now is love.

 

Rat, you couldn't possibly have come up with a more pathetic smear job. I'm opposed to anti semetism, I confess. Always have been. Now how exactly is this suspicious? I'm against racism too, gonna hold that against me too?

Isn't it suspicious that someone would criticise ANTI-SEMETISM? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I mean, what, are we supposed to believe that there is anti-semetism on the web? HA HA, ridiculous!

Isn't is suspicious that someone would try to debunk conspiracy theories? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I mean why would anyone object to crackpot conspiracy theories which try to absolve Osama bin Laden of guilt? He only killed a few thousand people, what's the big deal?

Isn't it really suspicious that someone would do both? TRIPLE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Isn't it suspicious that someone would spend so much time opposing communism and socialis... oh wait that doesn't fit the theory! Lets just pretend that never happened. Pepik's a jew banker! Pepik's a jew banker! (Try athiest hedge fund trader, you half wit).

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But seriously, do you think anybody noticed that this great big song and dance was just an attempt to skip over the part where you show how monetary policy is set by private banks? You just lie, and lie and lie again. You lie constantly. Repetitively. Endlessly. You just pile lie on top of lie and then act outraged when anyone points it out.

Why not just back up your theories for a change? All that time researching your smear job could have been spent actually backing up your theories.

 

What's suspicious, PEPIK, is the enormous amount of time you spend at websites pertaining to conspiracies and 9/11, but instead of debating the facts, you call anyone who doesn't share your views an anti-Semite. You use the same tactics media lapdogs like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity (your idols) do because you simply have no facts, so you resort to the Cointelpro trick of marginalizing these people as anti-Semites. If you are not out to debate people with facts, then what exactly are you out to do? You never have any of your own input, but you seem to be good at attacking what other people believe.

 

Its funny that someone who has posted here literally 20x as much as I have would accuse me of spending an "enormous" amount of time here (or anywhere else - those other websites I have posted on, in total, a handful of times over the last few months). But that's just another lie to add to the pile.

I do debate facts. I am trying to debate facts with you RIGHT NOW. But when I ask you how private banks control the Fed, you quote an anti-semite who says nothing beyond "private banks control the Fed" as if that settles the argument. And then you start a massive effort to smear me and imply that if I am against conspiracy theories I must be part of the conspiracy.

I mean look at all this hard work you've done - have you actually shown what I was debating? You simply quote me as if calling someone an anti-semite was proof that I am cointelpro - as if anti-semetism can't exist.

I'm the one with the facts here. You're the one who can't answer a simple question - what is "the Fed" and how do private banks control it? It really is that simple.

Everyone can see through your song and dance routine, you aren't backing up what you say.

 

Dude

I have directed criticisms and asked questions of your ideas already (Post 11) and your reply was - “I didn't write this to debate with the likes”...well…of me.

Now you demand that I examine your ideas – OK that’s easy, address the criticisms I’ve already made and answer the questions I’ve already asked.

The thing is Dude I just see you as one of Rat’s chorus the ones that cheer him on (but refuse to talk) and set up threads like this so he can come in to preach his pro-elite agenda.


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Evsride

But this is my point – what is being advocated, what is the aim of these organisations, what is being taught, etc.

Because so far many of the things that Rat and his chorus are suggesting only seem to end up aiding the rich elites.

I believe that the wealthy elites have too much power and therefore opposed those like Rat that seem to want to hand even more power to them, especially when, like Rat, they use lies and subterfuge to hide the their true intentions.


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You can't debate/attack my ideas without me on the other end every step of the way?? Perhaps your right, maybe it's unfair of me to exclude you....good point. Balbus I have no specific problem with "the likes of you" I don't think your being self-serving in the least, and I believe you are what you are.....does that make sense?? It's not that i'm unable to address your questions/criticism, frankly it's just maddening. I've debated back and forth with you now for years....and while i've developed a healthy respect for your viewpoint, you are one frustrating individual, everytime I respond you come back with another question, and pretty soon we're talking about something entirely different. I don't find you intellectually intimidating in the least, I just generally do not have the time or energy to devote myself that much to debating you....personally I just wanted to agree to disagree with you, makes my life a little less irritating, but I can see my hypocrisy, you're right i'm being unfair to you, i apologize. As far as labeling me one of matt's "chrous" thats pretty inconsiderate of you to jump to that conclusion. While we may be closely aligned in the broad spectrum of ideologues, I can assure you that it's nothing more than that, I don't know the particulars of Matt's beliefs, neither does he mine, i'm quite sure theirs areas we disagree with one another. To so readily label me a "chorus" is quite inconsiderate to my intellect and downright inaccurate on your part, this thread had nothing to do with Matt, nothing to do with his set of beliefs. I just want you to get it right, i'm not a yes-man nor will I ever be.

I will respond to your previous post later on today, let me get some coffee in me.

 

I think this is one of the problems with US politics today people do not seem to like answering questions, in other words they don’t like to debate their ideas they only wish to preach them.

It is something I’ve often noted on, some don’t like to answer questions at all and seem affronted by the very idea that what they believe could be questioned and others will only answer questions as long as those questions do not actually make them question what they believe.

I question what I believe every day in politics as everything else, ask me a politically directed question and I’ll do my best to answer it.

How do you know if your ideas or beliefs stand up if you don’t question them or allow them to be questioned?

And if you don’t allow questioning don’t ideas and beliefs just become dogma?

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Why not focus on the topics instead of a few individuals you seem to have something up against Balbus? I tend to avoid topics you get involved with because they always lead to attacks against Rat or others that have disagreed with you in the past. You can't seem to let old irritations lie. It get's old.

Pat

 

Have any of you bothered to read all the reports and documents on the SPP site? Instead of arguing about who's right or wrong with their conspiracy theories how about asking why all these big shots are meeting and writing policy without citizen input?

 

Preach on brutha!

One of the more level headed threads I have seen.

Keep on fightin the good fight.

 

This is the history they tell you. But it wasn't the first panic (there was one in 1893 which was much bigger) and it wasn't the last. Your history suggests that a banking panic was created to justify a central bank, yet panics had happened before and they happened after too.

I find you claim that "the people understood" highly dubious.

If you are goin to change the banking system, you might want to invite some bankers.

I mean think about it - you are claiming that this powerful banking interests conspired to control the banking system by setting up a central bank controlled by them (which isn't true). But who would have controlled the banking system in the absence of a central bank? These same private banking interests. What is the change?

I don't consider "ppppffffttt" to be an impressive debunking of this story. The BoG is not token, it is the part of the Federal Reserve System that controls the Federal Open Market Committe which in turn sets interest rates, and it is appointed by the President. There is nothing token about it, it actually controls monetary policy. And as far as "maintaining control" over the central bankers, that makes no sense - they are the central bankers. The regional Federal Reserve banks, which private banks "own" in a limited sense (and which conspiracy theories refer to, in a deliberately vague and misleading way), do not set monetary policy.

 

Gardener

Why not focus on the topics instead of a few individuals you seem to have something up against Balbus? I tend to avoid topics you get involved with because they always lead to attacks against Rat or others that have disagreed with you in the past. You can't seem to let old irritations lie. It get's old.

Interesting philosophy

Let’s think about its meaning.

‘oh that Amnesty International keeps attacking the Burmese regime because it uses torture to suppress dissent, just because they disagree with such tyranny and injustice, they should just let such irritations lie, shouldn’t they’?

Well shouldn’t they?

Are you honestly saying people should stop opposing the thing they are opposed to, that they should just - as you put it - let such irritations lie, forget about them and do nothing?

‘Greenpeace those silly buggers, scooting around the world opposing polluters, highlighting global warming and trying to stopping the exploitation of endangered species, they should just let such old irritations go’

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I’ve made it very clear what I stand for and what I dislike, one of the things I’m against is the danger inherent in the power of the wealthy elites and the often very damaging use that power can be put to.

So it is obvious that I would attack someone like Rat who seems to be working very hard to increase the power of the wealthy elite.

Another thing I dislike is his duplicity, loudly proclaiming to be against the wealthy elite while seemingly doing everything he can to increase the power of that group.

Are you saying I should let it go that we should all just let the wealthy gain more power unopposed?

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Have any of you bothered to read all the reports and documents on the SPP site? Instead of arguing about who's right or wrong with their conspiracy theories how about asking why all these big shots are meeting and writing policy without citizen input?

The problem is that the wealthy elites work globally but a citizenry’s power is limited to their states alone.

What is needed is global regulation of the elite by a global citizenry.

Try this -

Do the elite crave or fear a global government?
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186916&page=1&pp=10


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Dude

Have you finished that coffee yet?

 

I am suggesting that PARTICULAR panic was orchestrated to change banking and tax policy, because it was, however I never implied it was an isolated incident, bank panics have been a favored implement of change for over a century now to usher in "new ages" of policy.

I find most every thing you purport to believe in to be dubious in nature, so what of it?

You honestly don't find it the least bit a conflict of interest that someone endeavoring to set up banking policy for a FREE nation also happened to be part of the Rockefeller family through marriage and a protege of J.P. Morgan?!?!?!

First of all you are a liar, it is true, and you know it. The banking system would have continued to be regulated by the gold standard, all of these complicated algorithms are an unnecessary invention to exploit money that is not there to begin with, their is no such thing as perpetual growth of wealth, their needs to be sustainability at some point. I also might add that throughout world history, economic complications have been solely the creation of power hungry men, tangible commodities do not lie and are irrevocable, thats the problem with them.........too damn honest.

Prior to 1913 the U.S. had still managed to retain its sovereignty and freedom, freedom of the PEOPLE, we lost that.

Nor am I impressed with the same old tow the line status quo rhetoric you regurgitate time and time again. I'm not a child, repetition will not help you attain your goals.

For once you speak the truth...................oh, except for the highlighted part, that's a lie. Nice attempt at double speak though.

HE CAN BE TAUGHT!!!

You are speaking the truth once again, i'm impressed. I'll just go ahead and say what we both already know but you left out........the regional banks are owned by the same companies that control who the "president" appoints to the BoG.....these people are lobbied for by those same companies, they are hand picked yes men, long time industry insiders who are exalted to a public service position solely for the purpose of maintaining the Fed's stranglehold of debt based slavery over my country. You can cry conspiracy all you want, but if we're burning, it must be hot. This is one of those things that isn't hidden in the least, just most people do not understand it, that's how the greatest robbery in American history has been taking place for almost a century. So go on with your doublespeak, transference, strawman attacks, and deliberate confusion of facts Pepik, but you and I both know i'm right, good luck muddying the waters with your lies and bullshit.

 

Dude you said you would get back to me - “I will respond to your previous post later on today, let me get some coffee in me”

Here is what I said if you forgot

you said - I do believe their is a group that could appropriately be labeled the New World Order.

i asked - Why?

You said - I am not posting this in the "conspiracy" forum because I feel that things have moved out of the shadows and into the open far enough that most sentient and astute people out there can obviously see whats happening,

I replied - All I’ve ever seen is innuendo, supposition or opinion.

What you are saying here is that if people do not just accept this hearsay, these suppositions or your opinion on the validity of a conspiracy then they are stupid.

To me just accepting innuendo, supposition and opinion as ‘fact’ and ‘the truth’ is being incredibly stupid.

You list a whole load of things but none of them actually points to a ‘conspiracy’ - unless you want them to be a conspiracy.

The mind is a wonderful thing and can create it’s own truth if the alternative isn’t acceptable.

Some people just don’t like the idea that there isn’t control, they find the idea that events happen, that the world is a confusing place with multiple interests pulling this way and that, they demand order, even if it is an evil order (and it has to be evil because so many bad things happen).

And that is ok but the problem comes when these people start spreading this shit, since they unwittingly help out some of those factions trying to influence events – they help out the rich and the right wing.

I mean come on Dude, what is you answer, what should people do?

All you seem to be doing is running around in circles claiming the sky is falling. That to me doesn’t actually help, in fact it basically hands power over to those that you claim to be against.

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you must have finished that coffee by now?

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Yeah sorry I got busy yesterday and I just forgot about it.

Well besides the fact that people in positions of power have used that phrase, and stated it as a goal, I think the lack of beneficial progress and consolidation of power on the world stage has become quite obvious, at least to me. Goals stated in the past have come to fruition.

You are reading into my statement far too much, your interpreting meaning that's just not there. The key word for you in that statement should be most.

Coincidence only goes so far Balbus. To believe that these things are not in some way orchestrated is naieve to me, it's far too convenient. Besides that, let me reenforce what I said before, goals stated by the Bilderberg group, CFR, and TC have actually come to fruition. What is happening has been designed and implemented by some of the most gifted strategists on the planet, the pieces are all there, and they fit. This is intelligent design. It's not hard to fool the public, most people will by nature not think for themselves and subscribe to popular opinion, but popular opinion is easy to dominate through entertainment and media, and diversion of attentions. Education policy is set to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Repression of critical thought, logic, and analyzation has led to regurgitation of "new facts", in essence indoctrination.....theirs a litany of methods used, and they are getting more obvious all the time.

Exactly, I understand you are trying to infer that statement upon me but it works from my perspective as well. That is precisely why it's so unbelievably easy to fool and control people, they honestly cannot see the forest for the trees, and they don't know it, in fact will vehemently deny it in the face of reason.

I agree their are many people like that, and I personally despise them, they are a discredit to those of us that are serious, they fit the general "conspiracy theory" stereotypes, their very association with the truth is maddening and constantly brought up to deflect any real interest in serious truth and progress. I, however am not one of them

I agree with you, but your assumptions that anyone who subscribes to this ideologue fits that category is vague and inaccurate. I want honesty, I want truth, I want people to see what's really going on. Contrary to what you believe, I'm a stone cold anarchist, I don't like consolidation of power, I don't want to lend creedence to power, I only want to wake people up to what is going on, so they can at the very least be prepared, and at the very best, tear the beast down.

I disagree, I think education is key to progress. If we ever hope to have impact, people must understand what's going on. Ignorance is what has allowed us to degenerate into the slovenly semi-serfdom we have now, and its only going to get worse. I don't want people to be afraid, I want them to rise up and stop this.

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and then some!!

 

Sorry Dude I ask why and all you give me is more innuendo, supposition and opinion, it’s a belief based on a hunch balanced on a conjecture.
I’m all for opposing the wealthy elites but put garbage in and you get garbage out. This doesn’t seem to be designed to simulate critical, logic, or analytical thought it’s aim seem to be to get people running round in circles, doing nothing.
I mean what is to be done?
What are people meant to do with this supposed knowledge – well according to you so they are meant to prepare and at some point you know like whenever they are going to you know rise up and stop whatever it is that’s going on.
But again what does that mean?
Well to me it seems like promoting things that just allows the wealthy elite to gain more power.
Think about it – you can talk about the Federal Reserve for pages explaining how it is a tool of the elite – but what’s your alternative idea?
What kind of system do you want?
You can hope that the people will rise up and bring low the mighty Fed and grind it to rubble under foot – but what then?
If you are truly critical, logical and analytical then you must have given some thought to it?

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