Pre-Existence

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by MyImagination, Apr 7, 2010.

  1. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    There is no such thing as nothing. Our complex consciousness has allowed energy and matter a very brief and limited flash of self awareness. Are the billions of years of unconscious existence any less relevant than the brief specks of conscious partial awareness? Not to the whole universe but to the specks themselves and their relative awareness can any relevance be experienced.
     
  2. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    i can relate to meaningless . aaaaa , nothingness is very funny . zeros are somewhat useful . a forgetful emptiness can be exhasperating . should someone give a child the story of a personal eternal life - well , ok , seems a harmless and comforting plaything . afraid of the dark ? afraid of nuclear anhillation ? peace to the nothingness or any such annoying irelevance .
     
  3. Laxatone

    Laxatone Banned

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    mmmm word salad
     
  4. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    feeling nothing i die , mucking about in the void i might touch the unknown tho it seem ridiculous , and oh! look out the repressed taboo is in there too
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  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The experience of the time before you were born is the same experience that you have in deep dreamless sleep.
    In deep dreamless sleep you seem to cease existing, yet you wake refreshed. In fact you must have dreamless sleep to survive.

    To carry this further, since the human brain can only have thoughts one at a time, there is a moment of no thought between each thought. You are unaware of it because it is the same state as dreamless sleep and the same as the before birth experience. So you are constantly having the same experience as the before birth experience, but while you are having it you are unaware of it, same as the before birth experience.
     
  6. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    I used to have bad black outs up until I was about 8 years old. I would come to and find out I missed my bus or did something bad. I remember my mother sending me to my friends house to apologize for something and I had absolutely no idea what I did.
     
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    I like the sun.. :D
     
  8. Moving_cloud

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    Before you are getting born (and after you die) it's just time that ceases to be as you've known it, as you are jumping out of its tracks (or tuning in) - even if it's length, or shortness, seems infinitely huge from here.

    But maybe existance doesn't possess any duration, like when a wheel stops spinning the center is still there; we exist - yet time is embedded into the changes we go through and into the growing much like a side effect.

    And so you are still (and already) on the other side, in the timeless realm where you exist without a question, looking through this limited focus of existance ... running on the tracks of time with all its consequences included questions about non-existance (... which may very well the other side of the same coin - like, do you exist right now and do you not exist ?)
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Yes Cloud.

    That sounds about right. Time is a construct of the human mind.
     
  10. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    in music we play with time . could be one root is a rhythm from the womb - mama's heartbeat - and then - mama holding the babe make two :

    boom boom ....... boom boom ...... boom boom
    m .... boom boom .... boom boom .... boom boom .... boom!
     
  11. themnax

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    there's no requirement for anything to be what it seems to us.
    not that it can't be, just no requirement for it to.

    now i was born having dreamed dreams before i was born.
    and those dreams took place in a world very much unlike this one we're living in, though less unlike the world i still dream.

    yet some of the things in it, that did not exist yet in this world then, have since come to be.

    was i only remembering my own future in this life? i don't think so.
    i've lived enough years in this life by now, that if i was ever going to be the person in this world i was in those dreams, this would certainly have happened by now.

    this is why i accept the possibility of being born after dying, a long, timeless time, as just another infant, in just another life, on just another world, in just another, whatever the sentient life form of that world might happen to be.

    i also like the idea that there could be something in between.

    there's too much in this world i don't like to believe my liking or not liking makes anything like it is. but that there are also things that i do, means this doesn't prevent them either.

    so it doesn't make sense to me, to reject that any possibility can exist.
     
  12. Duck

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    I think a post like this would have been gibberish to me only months ago.

    Now, it is so wise and at some supreme level of rationalization.

    I have one phrase that seems to agree with you upon all else: deja vu.
     
  13. tikoo

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    the improbablity factor included , then you do have an expansive idea of what is possible . it's not impossible to remember an existence before you were born . this was before you had words . you will have to remember sensation , and the sensation has meaning .

    an existence beyondyour existence of words and thinking has meaning . perhaps you'ld consider it like you do a dream , and then translate it into words and thinking . i remember my beginning as warmth and a vision of geometry . vision needs light . so , i remember light and seeing and what i saw i recognize as geometric . remembering this has been very important to me - one thing i can own and hold on to - important to understanding our mind of nature .

    understanding the mind of nature hasn't been
    expressed much in our modern human story .
    i hope for a better story .
     
  14. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Like an owners manual for human being instead of a description for librarian.
     
  15. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    like a book titled The Language of Birds would merely describe mating dances and territorial duck calls ... but , oh no , i have seen them speaking with a glory light . a wild bird really can love you .

    hmm ... odd ... as i sat down here at the library to write a wood-tick was sitting on the keyboard . for a few moments it was waving it's fore legs in the air , then crawled away slowly - over the edge - it's gone down below now .
     
  16. Wuji

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    We have all been many forms before this form and we will be many forms again. Whether we experience it in a way that is similar to this or whether there is nothing at all. Even from a pure materialistic view you never dissapear, you just change into something. You came from the earth and return to it. We are all made from the same stuff and return to it.
     
  17. thedope

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    Yes indeed a few of them owe me favors as well.

    No tick, blood sucking "lawyer" waving his petition.
     
  18. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Well, if you are something now, and you will be something when your body dies, then surely you were something before now, and something before that, and so on.
     
  19. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    in your context , many somethings is perplexing . might you use
    anythings or onething or samethings . do you see onething cannot be
    plural ? would it relate better to the one you of one onetime ? one
    you connected to all of one life-goes-on is grande . yet , sometimes a
    person will admit feeling disconnected .
     
  20. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    You're right. It is perplexing. However I chose to write something to further the idea that it will certainly be some thing. That is to say, you were, have been, are, and will be, a thing. Also, some believe that we can be many people or things, in many places, all at the same time, therefore we are not one thing, but some transcendental thing that has both a physical environment, and a metaphysical environment from whence we came. We are never one thing, we are never the same thing, but we are always some thing
     

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