Pre-Existence

I remember experiences that never happened. I can dream of realities that do not exist. The line between imagination and memory is not clearly defined in our minds and the longer things are stored the more they are mixed.

What I do know is that I can clearly identify the real and now present verses past memories and dreams. What I know about the present is that my mind exists as a complex state of neurons and energy that developed and matured over decades. I did not exist before my mind developed and like volatile memory in a computer I will not exist when my grey matter is dead. What makes me myself, my inner voice, my consciousness, what some people call a soul is a volatile pattern of energy and matter. When that pattern is broken, destroyed and gone "I" will be no more. My matter can go on and circulate into new patterns but it will not be ME. I will be gone, my consciousness, my memories, my fantasies, this illusion of a soul, will not exist after the death of my grey matter. I will be gone before my entire body is even dead. My grandmothers body lived for years without HER inside its head.

 

a few days after my gramps was buried i got a bold vision of
him - just his face - and oh , he gave me a grande expression . seemed to me had experienced the great wonder joke of
wild existence .

he appeared as like a surprised and happily
demented clown .

haven't seen him since .
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There never was an I we always are and will be it the universe we are one body of existence the split personality disorder of an ego is just a temporary glitch within the infinite mind of the universe.

 

Well, personally I think that like, we have out spirit or soul or whatever the fuck you wanna call it, and when we die, it goes to a new thing but we still carry all the good and bad deeds and what not till the universe eventually does the whole "Big Crunch" thing and collapses. But after that it does the big bang thing again and starts over or something. But if some sort of "Higher Power" or some shit deems we have done enough good things or learnt enough or thinks we're read or whatever, we go to another universe or dimension or something. ]

May sound stupid but it makes sense to me

 

And all of this is happening now at the generalized human being now on Earth even as we're communicating. The question still remains is this God just to man when the existence takes hold through the judgment of either the Person that that happens to or the people deciding how to respect that person's ideals.

 

Maybe our souls are just fractions of God and that's how we communicate with them.

 

I don't think existence can be out of touch, misidentified perhaps, which is a distortion caused by judgment.

 

Interesting; some people take the other extreme of being purposeful solely for and in their made up minds.

 

Certainly, however they only believe their minds are made up. They do not recognize that judgment is an arbitrary metric which does not substantially record anything at all. We do not need judgment to organize our world. We need not decide right or wrong or good and evil, but simply true or false, is it the same, or is it different.

 

Considering I answered Emanreau up above simultaneously, I will curteously respond here now. I do not judge the truth for the issue of realities of super-existence. At least I don't think so. Thus we are judging pre-existence in the concern about purpose in common organization, not existence. Such is my personality for thinking. Agreed?

 

Can't argue with that. Any statement that one could make regarding, "preexistence", would necessarily be arbitrary. What does not exist is not real.

 

Logic can mislead the faith in systematic thinking.

 

What?

 

how does one dream, in the womb, about things that did not yet exist in the world they are born into at the time they are born into it, that later in their lifetimes does, some of it, after all, end up coming into existence? unless, there is a pattern these dreams build upon, that is somehow an artifact of previous existence of some kind.

these are 'dreams' i know myself to have had.

 

We certainly have the accumulations of genetic information to draw upon, millions of years of patterned response there.

 

perhaps late in the pregnancy , your mum lay to rest naked in the sunshine . your new eyes would be touched by a gentle light , sunlight passing through her and through your eyelids . with this light , your mind could give form to perception . would it be perception without understanding ? if you can remember understanding as a child in the womb this would be revelatory .

why you dreamed into the reality you were about to enter ? maybe your mum helped to give you this focus ... and so now you remember the dreaming , as so you remember the mother of your beginning .

 

What we 'think and /or believe has little bearing on what may be. Interesting and natural to discuss.We have gods,we have "leaders', we have followers,we have dreams,we have civilizations,societies,sports,we organize ourselves into political,emotional,familial sects/groups, we have a vast amount of ignorance and a certain amount of brilliance. And we certainly have theories as to the nature of existance. Theories of our place in existance have always been around ,as witness the history of "worshipping" objects,magical beings ,lucre,nature,humans,ect. What does any of it mean? To me it means we're pretty good at what we can be good at,within the context of the limited biological creatures that we are and not so good at figuring our actual place in the cosmos after we change form from living(as we know it) to ???. It's all hypothesis to me--every last bit of it, because we are not meant to know our fates in our present forms. I'm open to any of it,but I'm reserving judgement until I find out. Or not.

 

But the fate of Nature is in the cards. <more>or <less>: Bertrand Russel

 

ya , it'd be a boring to totally know my fate . understanding it - pathetically depressing . so i like knowing pieces of it , and understanding fate in the present form doesn't get beyond my nose anyway . maybe i can know that some fine day i will speak with an other-world star-traveller and can even hear those wrds whispered twixt us now - but they are strange wRrds - i don't know what they mean . so ... then ... for now might i play like a kid with sorta goofy strange wrds until that day , juggling such wrds that require neither knowing nor understanding . do i feel a purpose unfolding ? i feel i am a fool who's been set-up . itsa quite the galactic circus show .

 

Indeed. I hope that one fine day,I''ll take the final flop somewhere(certain) and the next thing I know, I'll be aware and awake and still JOEL in some way and in some special place reserved for those that didn't do much harm passing thru this phase of existance,as I hope I didn't ,spending my limited time in this form. So far,it doesn't look too promising, as no one,according to my understanding,has returned to regale us with tales of paradise. As I always say,dead is a long time,so then pre-birth is probably about the same. But ,I know nothing and am nothing-and I won't be the first sometimes weak, sometimes self-important,sometimes foolish,sometimes loving,sometimes confused , little sack 'a meat going someplace or no place. Naturally ,I don't want to exit my corporeal self,but it's not worth fretting about. We'll all find out sooner or later. Or not. I'm just happy I got to spend some time doing the human things that I have done. I will continue to enjoy myself until the BIG flop.