premonition come seconds before they happen

That's true as well.

 

You needed to make it clear what your point was. It turned out different then what you made it seem by addressing what I wrote. I don't think I mentioned one true person for you, if I did I didn't mean it, my definition of true love is something that can be had with obviously more than one person in the whole world. So yes, that is the case if we are all connected. You made it seem life is more pleasurable as a mystically void thing where you just use people to fill it in.

 

Well Im sorry but what you are talking about is not the voice of someone who is "pretty experienced" this is 101-102 kind of stuff. If you have had any training at all please call this mentor of yours and go back over this stuff. If you dont have one let me know and I will be glad to refer you to a good one. BB Mike

 

i sure do love the friend who accomodates
my hopeful synchronicity and always will
let it rest in whispers .

good-bye .
the end .

 

Yah, the other day, I thought of a cross sticker a moment before seeing a cross sticker on the back of a car. I then argued to myself that there's plenty of cross stickers on cars, and watched a whole line of cars crossing the intersection and didn't see any more. lol. You sound like you have a better knack then me though.

 

I think because history repeats itself and things tend to happen in patterns, that what you perceive as psychic visions is really your brain working in a logical way and using past information that was filed away subconsciously to predict future events. For example, I too am usually able to predict when I'm about to find a deer in the road. Is it because I'm psychic? No. Its because I drive the same roads every day, I know that deer are more commonly spotted during a certain time of year, I know that if there is a neighborhood here and a woodland area here, i am more likely to see deer come out of the woods than the neighborhood.

i think that 9 times out of 10, what is perceived as a psychic vision is really subconscious logic.

i'll give you so-called psychics that 1 time out of 10 so as to not appear completely cynical and to not offend those that seriously believe in this stuff

 

That doesn't come close to explaining the colorful world of synchronicity, and the turn out of probability in favor of the observer's thoughts. Random number generator tests have been done countless times and have verified the possibility of the effect of intention. And Of course these petty examples are explained by patterns, but they are not truly experiences of mysterious coincidences. The event has to be of a nature experienced never before, and subjects unknown. Have you any other examples? Someone sure of "subconscious logic" sure should be able to explain it, if they are trying to offer it as an explanation for all correlation of events......

You don't see what you've never truly observed, or have control over that which you've never even thought about. It's not about psychic powers, it's about open ends. But hey you're 26 I'm only 20...You would know there aren't open ends.

 

The deeper one goes in understanding and awareness the more focused they become. All along the way there are the pot holes of “I Got It” .......and then we grow some more. Much like a lotus flower we open to the full awareness of our own uniqueness and beauty. Only then can we see clearly that which is whole and well within us.

The truth of the matter is there are as many sides to understanding as there are sparks in a flame. We each embrace a spark of the eternal flame of consciousness as we share one with the all. So here is my spark.

1. Premonitions are threads of energy that weave into our conscious connection through our auras, energy bodies and individual grid patterns. We set these up in the akashic records for the purpose of growing. We seek within our spirits to remember that which we know.

2. Visions are our regurgitated thoughts filtering through our walls and present perceptions, reminding us we are the gods of our creations and worlds we are living in. We are in charge of what we manifest thus making us responsible for what we think. Like layers on an onion we are intimately connected on many levels. We are responsible for who we are and what we become. Greater insight helps us remember our mission, why we are here, and helps us use visions as a tool in our life, not just a glitch in our awareness. The deeper one goes they can work with visions, calling them forth for greater growth and understanding.

3. True Love is about Being Love. No physical intimate sexual relationship will save us from facing our life path and reason for being here. To love someone is a personal choice. This becomes easier when the energies of both are in synchronicity patterns of likeness, but the truth of the matter is you can choose to open and love anyone and you can love many in one life time. The other side of this is we also have the power of judgments and hate we can choose. True Love is not what is done to us but what we become. Intimate Sexual relationships often offer us an excuse, or distraction from our own single energy of Being True to our self. Yes, sometimes these physical connections were part of the original plan set up in the akashic records to help serve a joined purpose. A physical lover becomes as the breath of existence often becoming a mirror to what we are helping to co-create in this awareness. As we draw the lessons and experiences to us we sought to learn from, we enter our own wellness, wholeness, or self distraction, destruction, and dis-ease as we so choose.

4. Our Interpretations are in relation to what we think, focus on, say, or what we thought we heard and sets the stage for our awakening to the reason we are in this moment. Our interpretation is in relation to the depth we understand our own life and hearts. As we see our self we will also see those around us by that which we create with our thoughts. How we see our self will color everything we think we understand. Change is our constant guide. What we focus on grows. When we seek a teacher, or lover to make us whole we are coming from a flawed program within our own understanding. When both are whole they seek not co-dependence, validation or clinging but open to the fullness of the path before them no matter how long that path is. Here our intent rules.

Sometimes I think my Spirit looks like a rubric cube that humors me in all the twist and turns I make.

As we move deeper into our own essence and see our individual grid patterns and lives come into focus we begin to see and understand just how connected we all are. We are here to grow beyond what we know and to have the consequences of the choices we make by how we choose. When we are out of balance the sacred and the profane are also out of balance. We are not someone else's teacher and god. We are our own teachers and gods of that which we imagine and create within our thoughts and actions. The reason we run from this total awareness is we are afraid to be responsible for that that which we are. We want to leave an excuse to blame something outside of us for that which we judge as a failure within us.

So in response to your original question...Only as you create through the eyes of wholeness within you...will you embrace the fullness of that which is around you.

 

Good thinking...except the term "so-called" tips your true attitude.

To express an opinion without actually investigating is...well, premature, let's say. I could give you lots of fairly clear-cut examples of "so-called psychics," if you're interested. If not, that's fine too. :2thumbsup:

 

actually i am interested. i have to warn you i'm a pretty skeptical person and will probably come up with a logical explanation for everything you tell me, but if you can put up with that then i would like to hear your examples. if you prefer i'll keep my logical explanations to myself

 

That's very open-minded and reasonable, Meliai! Skepticism is good. It took almost six months of a woman at my office responding out loud at a distance to my unvoiced thoughts before I eliminated all thoughts of coincidence in my mind and finally concluded that she was somehow in fact reading my mind...I realize that this is probably a stretch for you, so I'll back up and start with some simpler examples requiring less of a credibility stretch. However this thread is probably not the place for it. Meet me in a new thread I'm going to post for this purpose, and I'll see what I can do... I'll call it zengizmo's psi hi thread - short for psychic history. Gimme an hour or so, I need to do some other stuff first...

 

Telepathic occurrences in group LSD sessions. =)

No one needs to prove anything to Meliai, unaccepted is unaccepted. You can't see what you don't know to look for or know how to look for. It's a waste of time pandering to nihilists.

 

Frankly I don't expect to prove anything to Meliai. Any critically thinking person can explain away anything...after all, how many people still refuse to believe that the moon landings actually took place?

The thing is, Meliai is currently unaware. I'm going to tell her some stories that will increase her awareness, even if she doesn't want that to happen. If she's clever, which I believe she is, she'll be able to explain away every one of my stories. That's not the important thing. I'm going to expose her to some energy she may never have been exposed to before. She doesn't need to consciously accept it. It will affect her awareness regardless.

I might point out that YOUR attitude is a bit nihilist...

 

haha. good point, it is. I should be a little more optimistic in trying to get people to accept things, instead of lacking faith in humans.

 

Of course, lacking faith in humans is generally a pretty safe fallback postion. Still, sometimes you can plant a seed...sometimes you get to be the one who harvests the fruit...and yeah, sometimes your seeds just dry out and blow away...

 

Truthfully I do like to plant seeds. I like to think I'm a bodhisattva in a sense, but one that is himself far from enlightenment. I also like to think practically I have a significant impact on whoever I come in contact with. As far as if actually, I don't know. I think it's possible to influence the thoughts of others just through your own though. I know someone like Meliai would very much disagree with that, at least in a meta physical sense of it.

 

alright i will check that thread out!

actually I think that consciousness is a form of energy and all energy is subject to the laws of cause and effect, therefore I do think thoughts hold some influence. I wouldn't go as far as to say that thoughts can influence others' thoughts, but I do think the energy generated from those thoughts can certainly be influential on others. A simple example of that would be someone in a bad mood. A person in a bad mood puts out negative energy, and negative energy can certainly bring the people around that person down. I don't think its the persons thoughts so much as the way their thoughts influence their actions and body language.

i'm not nihilistic. calling me nihilistic suggests I dont care at all or that I see no point in learning about these ideas. i wouldnt have asked for examples if this were a subject I did not wish to expose myself to. I am genuinely interested, but my interest is accompanied by a healthy dose of skepticism

 

The wording you used previously was not a healthy dose. And that's good to hear, and I think it does work in a way similar to what you described, BUT at least in my experiences the exception to the rule is distance, sometimes very great. It's commonly overdone by me to point towards quantum entanglement, but I must point you in the direction of that, because we do know particle behavior can be correlated at very great distances, and that's how we have arrived at the theory of a quantum entangled field. And actually I think answers to the mysterious occurrences in life very possibly lie in the quantum field.

I also consider myself very skeptical but I have no reason to be skeptical of merely the occurrence of mystical correlations, aka synchronicity, and other psychic phenomenon. When something occurs that there could be a clear concrete linkage, then the mystery is absolved. I do still believe personally that thoughts can manipulate others thoughts whether it be consciously controlled (don't necessarily think that) or the result of vulnerability at the right space and time.

To support a leaning more towards your way of thinking I have come upon the idea of visions being simply a delay between the physical and perceived.

Also I did give my friend shit for his facebook status saying "Indigo's unite" because I think the indigo child theory is a crock a shit in the sense that exceptional people, including ones with observed telepathic and psychic ability, have been around since the beginning of time. Hell, I think life is a byproduct of consciousness and not vice versa and that immediately rules out the idea of evolving into pure connected consciousness. Also I just think the whole concept of labeling oneself and one's children as Indigo is so egotistical it's disturbing and that's why I gave my friend a bunch of crap about it....because no one should be going around labeling themselves or certain other individuals as Indigo... especially considering the theory is based majorly on the idea of certain kids being exceptionally more gifted than the rest of them.

Anyways...

 

thats an interesting thought. quantum entanglement fascinates me but I only have a limited understanding of it. I've never had this spelled out so I may be drawing the wrong conclusions but from my understanding, if two particles can effect each other through space they can also effect each other through time, or what we think of as time. My understanding is too limited to apply this to the idea of conscious thought, but I do think I see what you're saying. If consciousness can become entangled just the same as physical particles, then a vision of the future could occur because a present consciousness becomes entangled with some kind of collective conscious thats already perceived the events envisioned? Or something like that, am i way off base?

I vaguely remember hearing about Indigos but i can't quite recall what that is. Children that claim to have some kind of psychic power?

 

It's a lot more than psychic power, it's a whole slew of capabilities and exceptional qualities, with a glowing aura. We actually had quite the debate about it tonight, I just don't think something mysterious can be so accurately labeled as the Indigo kid concept does. What we've been supporting on this thread is "supernatural" abilities, and people likely have different gifts.

Yes, from what I've learned, and I didn't mention, is particles can also be entangled through time, because the fabric runs through all of space time. It's not simple to try to apply this to conscious thought, and nothing more than pseudo science in my idea. Although perhaps if I re-polished my understanding and maybe encourage yours we watch the "documentary" .. "What the Bleep Do we Know?". The movie goes over what is known about quantum particle behavior and applies it very much in a new age sense, which Is kind of why I don't like it. But our brain is made up of these particles, and all particles are part of the fabric. (If you imagine the fabric with waves, that collapse to become particles, which is proved through the double slit experiment of the 1930s). So imagine, because it's true, our brain communicates within itself using a electrical pulses, and all of that is intertwined in the fabric. who knows what kind of quantum effect that has.... That would BE the human consciousness of the fabric, but who knows what consciousness really is, because the word is even used in describing the results of the double slit experiment, which is too much but still ridiculously simple for me to know off the top of my head. But in a gist, a wave collapses from its spread to a particle in a specific place and time, simply as a result of the mere observation of its behavior, like our consciousness controls it..... or it is conscious of itself, and the external world.

I'm not sure though that it can explain the occurrence of visions, as it is similar to synchronicity, but not entirely the same phenomenon. I guess it's just a different form of synchronicity, so perhaps you came up with a good theory.

Quantum mechanics in general is extremely weird stuff, and completely mysterious, much of it possibly operating at levels infinite but undetectable by the human eye. It's a frontier and it stands as a testament that Darwinism, Newtonian Laws, and Brain Physiology are not a means of an end to the questions of existence. The latter of which suffering self doubt at the hands of new experiments and observations.