Why is it that industries and jobs that this country built and invented are now in India, Indonesia and China? Why aren't animators employed in the US? Why does Disney outsource their work? Why are Fords, Levis, Stanley tools, etc now manufactured overseas? Guess no one was really protecting us. But I would think you'd argue American workers grew fat they wanted too much. Thing is they only wanted jobs and recognition, but that was more than business wanted to grant them. It's time for a whole new rethink. Along with looking at who provides national health care. China provides national health care.
You can't compare health care systems, China provides national healthcare, but would you rather have surgery and cancer treatment in China or America? And those jobs left because they're jobs of the past, China has moved from an agriculture society to an industrial one, while America has gone from an industrial one to a service and information one. Economics evolve too. Protectionism just hurts everyone in the world. So instead of being in factories most Americans now have cushy office and store jobs.
I can't afford to have surgery here. But if I had a job in China I could look forward to having surgery if I needed it, which is more than I can here. Service jobs? What are those office cleaning? Here in California "service jobs" require bilingual abilities to sweep floors I never dreamed I'd have to go to college to learn a foreign language as well as more skills just to sweep floors or clean toilets. Most Americans have cushy jobs....who are they? Not anyone I know. Many of my friends lost their jobs. I still work because I've worked off the scope since the nineties. Information jobs...we all know they've bee outsourced to India and Indonesia. What exactly are our kids supposed to pay for educations for? Jobs sweeping floors, cutting hair, or changing bedpans? Sweden, the Czech Republic, the UK have all privatized...but one thing they've all have in common: nationalized is health care. Amazing oversight in the discussion isn't it. China offers nationalized health care. Who's protecting who? Cushy office jobs, most of my friends would oft for a factory job. Jobs of the past...what exactly are the jobs of the future.? Wall St. Trading, Futures traders? I'll do my best to make those jobs illegal and criminal. I want my progeny to actually produce actual goods that will benefit mankind. I want them to be creative, I want them to benefit their fellow beings. Funny isn't it?
Please, tell us with all the privatization what jobs should our children be training for? Do they need a college education to wipe your kids butts, mow your lawns or clean your toilets?
A service oriented nation, what does that mean? 98 percent of us clean and take care of the 2 percent that are wealthy....how does that work in a nation with no national health care? How long can that be sustained?
All the examples for privatization: Czech Republic, UK, Sweden. What do they have in common national health care. Maybe that's something missing from the US dialogue. Funny and our biggest fear China what do they offer their citizens: national health care.
US citizens should be happy, we built Ford, we built Levi Strauss, we built and innovated lots of companies but today we are seen as too fat and lazy. We are only seen as capable of cleaning their toilets and mopping their floors but only if you are bilingual, catering to their retreats, tending their kids, washing their cars, walking their dogs or styling their hair. Thats the service industry nation we've signed on to. Sorry but I am not buying into it.
Do you have ADD, everything seems to go back to healthcare for you. And no, information jobs means we have a country full of people with degrees, researchers, teachers, skilled engineers, ect. Most of your friends would take a factory job, but news flash, most 20 and 20 somethings don't want to work in a factory anymore, they like having a degree which can get them jobs at numerous places.
Maybe finding a better job would be easier than moving to China, atleast that's how I see it. You really think the Chinese have it better than you ? Is that why there's over 3 million of them here , mostly via cargo container.Still, over 100,000 Chinese immigrate to the USA every year. You seriously don't know, or just being stubborn/silly ? Do the math it's 80% of the GDP,which was 14.26 trillion. Alot of jobs require bilingual abilities. You're taking this "service" term wrong. I'm down to 1 bar of power , to be continued.....................
ADD didn't exist when I was kid, and I can assure you I am not hyperactive.Which jobs are those that are open? Who's hiring? Who's hiring a new graduate with a BA?And when 16% of GDP is Health Care, then yes if you are looking at the big picture it all has to come back to that especially when unemployment is nearing that same percentage. That totals out to 30+% of GDP. You don't think that's an issue?I bring up health care, because I brought this thread up to highlight the positives of privatization and every example given was of a nation with nationalized health care. To ignore that would be just plain uneducated and stupid.
Yet they all have health care at home go figure. 100,000 out of 1,330,044,544 what percentage is that? And are you just counting legals or illegals? And of those 3 million how many are legal citizens or visitors. Does it require bilingual abilities to clean toilets or sweep floors? Do employers that hire illegals to do these jobs insist they know English as well? And please outline what are all these great service jobs. Then please define "service" and outline these great resources for the rest of us.
I think the heading of this topic was: Privatization, Please, someone give me an example of when privatization worked. And what I've been given is examples of countries with nationalized health care and the fact that we have millions of illegal aliens from other countries. I fail to see how either demonstrates true successes in the privatization model.
Isn't the play "The Full Monty" about privatizatizon and loss of employment. The Boys were employed in a coal mine somewhere in England, mining an unproductive mine an economically dead end. British privatization closed the mine and the Boys took the Full Monty show on the road to earn income and criticize Margaret Thatcher. Yet as sympathetic as they might be taxpayers were subsidizing a dead end at the mine. The miners showed the courage and initiave to try something else, finding fufillment and self-actualization which would have never been thiers had they continued to shovel coal.
You keep giving examples of nationalized healthcare, wow, big freakin whoop. I say as a person with no insurance I'd damn rather live in America then in Romania even if I would have healthcare. And you fail to point out any of the problems in their systems. Name an economy that has done better under socialism. I think despite being liberal on health care, garden falls into the "They took our jobs!!!" category
No they don't, go figure. You said that,not me. What you are talking about, I have no idea. Or, I could just let You keep believing we clean toilets and sweep floors " $11.4 trillion+ worth". For the rest Services.
Among other things we should be proud of thanks to the private sector http://www.ilo.org/global/About_the...Press_releases/lang--en/WCMS_083976/index.htm
This is derergulation not privatisation. I have explained this to you several times in the past. I highly doubt you've made even the slightest effort to see what happened to prison costs. Many studies show private prisons cost less, do you care? This is not privatisation and ATT is not a monopoly. Your call costs have been going down.
This is actually something I'm against, or at least there'd have to be a compromise. Simply for the fact many, many routes of the USPS are not profitable in the slightest, but the mail for now must go on, rain or snow, ect.
Especially this, Hiptastic is in Britain right? How much would it cost me to call him tonight, especially on plans designed for foreign service vs what it would've cost in 1979
