Project Veritas Exposes The Fake Russia Conspiracy

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Not because we disagree, you just seem to look for the worse in many things.

    Like this statement. You're claiming these people did no good at all. Can't you find something?
    Did I say anything about neoliberalism? You'll have to specify what got shoved down our throats, I may agree or disagree, but I don't know what policies you are referring to.
    Proclaim what to be bad? Don't give me generalities like neoliberalism, give me something specific that's bad.
    You can recommend reading material if you like, but I'm pretty cheap if I have to buy it and I'm reading a book now on the current war on science, then I have one to read on the French and Indian War, next is a book about Tim Leary, then another about time, and finally one on how men and women communicate...so I have a few ahead of anything you'll suggest.
    You misunderstand. The Liberal Enlightenment was a time in history.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Yes it was.
    Specifics please not opinions.
    Okay, you got me, we are thirteenth, but only because our population is huge compared to the others.
    I meant to say we have the largest GDP in the world.
    No too busy lining pockets, inefficiency, bias, etc. Lots of reasons, but foreign aid isn't one of them.
     
  3. lode

    lode Banned

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    So yeah. First it was "no contact". Then it was "no collusion". Then "no laws broken". Soon it will be there was "no problem" because he's contemplating pardoning himself.

    His son and son in law openly colluded with the Russian state which launched a massive cyber-warfare propaganda operation against the US before election day.

    His tax returns/finances have something really bad. And this is a guy who just shakes off Trump University/raping his ex-wife level scandals.

    If he pardons himself and attempts to stay in office, or fires Mueller and impeachment hearings don't begin we are in a constitutional crisis.

    I will quit my cushy job and march on Washington or leave this country with it's mad king, depending on how many others are truly outraged.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Okay, good things under Trump:

    The stock market is up. That's good if you have investments.
    Journalism has vastly improved, more fact based investigative reporting.
    The jobless rate is at the same constant as it was under Obama.
    The general public has a much better understanding of our election process, constitution, and government workings.
    He put a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbing for foreign governments.

    There's probably something else.

    Republicans, lately:
    They imposed more sanctions on Russia because of the hacking.
    Robert Mueller is investigating the Russian hacking.
    Jeb Bush called out Trump for his looking into pardoning himself for crimes he doesn't think he committed.
    there's other stuff but I'm not going to search for it right now.
    .
     
  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Now about your version of history.
    The Age of Enlightenment was based reason. Before the Enlightenment the powers that ruled the world were based on monarchies, one man or a very small group of individuals decided what was right or true. With the Enlightenment came the idea that reason could be used by mankind in general to decide what was right, or true.
    This is the birth of liberalism which champions reason, liberty, progress, science, and group rule. Before this time the public had no liberty, progress was slow, there was no science and the king or pope ruled, not the people.

    Ben Franklin wasn't a bank, and this is where I begin to loose interest. Franklin and Jefferson were leaders in the American Enlightenment.

    The French Revolution led to the decline of monarchies and the up swelling of liberal democracies.

    I don't know why you bring Hitler into the discussion.

    The Republican Party didn't exist until 1854 so I don't know how they could have founded the democratic process.

    John Adams was the presidential candidate of the Federalist Party in 1796.

    and so on...I'm growing tired of this..we're off subject, start a new thread about how much Obama sucked and how the Republican Party founded democracy and maybe I'll reply there.
     
  6. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    You're right they didn't dox. It was a blackmail that blew up in their face in the form of an online publicity nightmare. A well deserved one at that.

    If it was a big mac, then why did Trump Jr. say that the meeting was a pointless waste of time? Russian lawyer he met had zero ties to the Kremlin or the Russian government.

    Even Bloomberg admits it https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-11/trump-s-low-level-russian-connection

    Too bad Trump JR didn't delete the emails and bash the hard drive over and over with a hammer like a special someone we both know ;). Only then would the story be substantial.
     
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  7. lode

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    Because it physically isn't possible that Trump Jr said something that isn't true...

    The KGB (or FSB if your prefer) was one of her clients.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-lawyer-exclusive-idUSKBN1A61LZ
     
  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    If it was blackmail why haven't they been convicted of blackmail, or at least charged with a crime?

    It doesn't matter if Trump Jr. got useful information or not, his intent was to get useful information.
    If I attempt to rob a bank by entering and demanding money and threatening violence if I don't get it, it doesn't matter if I actually get any money or not...I'm still going to jail if caught in the intent.
     
  9. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Facts have a liberal biasis.
     
  10. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    It would be the Republicans are not racist because Lincoln was a Republican. [​IMG] You see all current race relations and polices don't matter because the party at it's core supported black people and always has. We could get lots of replies and agreement of this.
     
  11. Noserider

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    He might be alluding to the Jeffersonian Republican ideals. I'm not sure. But the ideology of republicanism predates the GOP.
     
  12. MeAgain

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    I think he may be confused because the original Democratic-Republican Party of Jefferson and Madison called themselves Republicans. They opposed the Federalist led by Hamilton.
    By 1815 the Federalist Party was virtually gone.

    There were no official names for parties back then and the Jeffersonians called themselves Republicans. They occasionally used the name Democratic-Republicans.

    In 1824 a split occurred dividing the party between John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson. The Jackson faction held the first Democratic convention in 1832, the Adams faction became the National Republican Party which then became the Whig Party which then died in 1850 or so.

    The modern Republican Party didn't appear until 1854.

    It gets confusing.
     
  13. Meliai

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    Trump has made a point of involving his children in his campaign and administration. His son met with a Kremlin connected lawyer and a Russian-American lobbyist in order to receive (exchange,one can only assume) information about his father's political opponent. Of course the media is going to report on that.

    We're not talking about innocent children here
     
  14. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    grasping..at...straws..

    you so funny

    if you don't or can't comprehend the difference then.......
     
  15. Meliai

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    I am an independent voter, not a Democrat. I was actually critical of Obama and did not care for his foreign policy. I thought it was typical of American foreign policy though, I'm not generally a fan of american foreign policy under republican or democratic presidents. They're mostly the same when it comes to foreign policy.

    But that's beside the point, why do Trumpets always feel the need to deflect by bringing up Obama and Hillary?

    Trump is under FBI investigation so we'll wait to see how that pans out. In the meantime I really do encourage you to examine him a little more critically. It isnt good practice to blindly follow any leader.

    As an aside, I never wanted to block you. I once asked a mod how to block someone but I'm not sure why you assumed I was talking about you. I wasnt.
    Thanks for paying such close attention to my posts though! Its really nice to know you care, sweet puffy.
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The topic is:


    Project Veritas Exposes The Fake Russia Conspiracy
     
  17. Reverand JC

    Reverand JC Willy Fuckin' Wonka

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    Given that Project Veritas has numerous lawsuits against them for their "Reporting" and repeatedly debunked I don't give them any amount of credibility.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/1/project-veritas-facing-1m-lawsuit-by-democratic-op/

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/brinkmann-on-business/os-breitbart-wentz-lawsuit-20170626-story.html

    http://time.com/4801721/james-okeefe-lawsuit-democracy-partners/

    Maybe these papers are "Fake News" too.

    Having seen some of O'Keefe's "Sting Videos" one thing that has been quite apparent to me as an audio guy is that it is quite evident that the audio you hear from him was recorded in a different location than the audio you hear from the person he is talking to. The difference in room sound between the parties involved is very different.

    Now let's ask a commons sense question. Why would Hillary Clinton collude with Russia to get Donald Trump elected president? I'm trying to be nice here but if you honestly believe that you are a fucking moron.

    C/S,
    Rev J
     
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  18. psymon*

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    ^ lawl*. JC, none of the lawsuits are for what you are claiming was done, they know they were caught and the lawsuit is civil in nature. what you are claiming is rather late in the game and simply not true. Are you trying to create another fake story? The ones going after project veri are made because they have lost sponsors and lost money/credibility because their lying was exposed.

    The liars are trying to say they have integrity. It is better to make up a story than record facts and publish without consent. Exposing this was important and needed to come out because freedom of the press does not mean favbricate stories. Then when the fabrication is admitted to they cry foul, claiming they ruined their image. They ruined themselves.

    What do you think of Julian Assange? Are you playing devils advocate or you only for these tactics when it benefits your belief?
     
  19. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    [​IMG]
     
  20. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    This is trying to be nice?

    Is it acceptable for old time members to call others "fucking morons" if someone has a different view point? This is a constant by several old time members towards non old time member In my experience, and from what I have read.
     

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