PROOF! No God :)

If they are the same God, then why does He say different things to both people? The Quran claims that it's DIRECT from God via Gabriel, the Bible says that it is the inspired word of God. God can't lie... For that matter, why would he go around and make contradictory belief systems?

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As well, there's passages in the bible about a group of people who worship a god named Baal (which, I have heard, means "god" in another caananite language of the time). Their religion swept over Israel with the same claims of baal = God. The Baal worshippers were challenged and went up to Mt. Carmel and so did the prophet Elijah, and each one asked their "god" to bring them fire from heaven for their altar. Baal's altar was left untouched, but Elijah's altar was lit with fire from heaven. Even the water trench around his altar was licked up. Paraphrased from I Kings Chapter 18:17-40

It doesn't matter if they call their idols "God" or not, they're not the same just as I am not Elvis Presley no matter how much I may call myself that.

Where is this said?!?!?!?! Where did the OT God say that he is a compilation of different gods/goddesses?!?!? I've never heard anything like this in my whole life, infact, the OT scriptures say something completely different:

"To you it was shown that you might know that the Lord, He is God; there is no other [gods/goddesses] besides Him. (Deuteronomy 4:35)

"Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! (Deuteronomy 6:4)

And he said, "O Lord, the God of Israel, there is no God like Thee in heaven above or on earth beneath (1 Kings 8:23)

etc.

Where do the OT scriptures say that the OT God are any of the things you claim?

 

I wish I was good at math than maybe I'd have an opinion....:&

 

I am talking Semitic mythology, not what the OT says.

Yahweh absorbed Ba'al, Asherah (his wife as El) and a few
other gods of the area when he became supreme deity
in the Caananite pantheon.

Of course none of that is in the old testement, because
the old testement was written about Yahweh after his
"rise to power", by his own people.

Study some Semitic theology, and a some mythology for that
matter, and then tell me i am mistaken.

And as to Yahweh and Allah being different, how do you
know that the Koran is not the factual book and the Bible
is just made up? How can you know?

EDIT: forgot to add, i recently found out (from a Hebrew) that
the H at the end of Yahweh denotes femininity. And as to being
only that one god, even Judaism admits there are other gods,
just only one for them, believe me, i heard it myself from a Rabbi.

 

gods are borrowed all the time from different religions. The caananites lived right next to the Jews, as the romans lived right next to the greeks but the canaanites were even closer. As well:

--Danu, the celtic mother-goddess is also found in India
--Idols have been found in scotland and ireland which theologians believed to be Athena
--In antiquity, authors like Herodotus speculated that the Greeks had borrowed their gods wholesale from the Egyptians
--Different germanic tribes kept borrowing gods and bits of each others' mythology.

For this matter, if the canaanite myths are true and baal and asherah are part of YHVH, why didn't Baal's altar light on fire in I Kings 18:7-40 ? You might say, "it did light on fire but the hebrews never wrote it down". In this case, all of Israel would be worshipping Baal this very moment, because Elijah (God's last prophet of the time) would've been killed.

Myself I have faith. The apostles (writers of much of the NT) had the ability to know if they were right or wrong, though. Go back to that apostle question (my last post). "Why would the apostles leave Jerusalem...." that question.

I don't know enough about the Hebrew language to make any statement regarding this, right now.

 

Danu is found in India because of the Indo-European migration there.
The indo-europeans origins are around the Danube river, Danu isnt a
Celtic mother goddess, but the Indo-European name (or varient of) THE
Mother Goddess. The Danube was her river, the waters of the womb of the
earth, but it wasnt the river that was sacred, it was the spring (in Germany)
where the river originated. It was where the sacred water came straight
from within the Mother. Notice Indo-European Migration into western Europe
and they all happened along the danube, with some going farther even, these
became the Celtic tribes, while the ones who followed all the way to the source
became the German tribes, and the ones who went more south became the Romans.

Thats not counting the Aryans that moved into India.

Of course all of those religions are similar, they are the same people.

As to Athena statues in Scotland and Ireland, do you think there may
be a chance that some romans forgot them there? thats not really a stretch.

and Greek gods are quite different from the Egyptians, but the people are
probably of similar stock, both being mediterranean and all.

As to Yahweh and Ba'al's little fire competition, could it not be that
Yahweh had alread absobed Ba'al at that point? There being no Ba'al
to light a fire? When i said absorbed i meant in the "Highlander there can be only one" kinda way.

Do you know why Yahweh became so vain, jealous and prudish?
El (yahweh) had a wife, the goddess Asherah. She became sexually
involved with Ba'al, enraging El, and that is when he started his campaign
to stamp out all worship of other gods, that is when he became so agains sex, and that is when he absorbed Ba'al and Asherah.

Poor little guy got his heart broke, threw a little temper tantrum, and became the most worshipped god of his area.

 

exactly the same with the canaanites and the hebrews. Geographically and biologically, they were very close people. Just like the romans and the greeks, it's not uncommon to take the religion of someone else and then add your own spin to it ( Like with the romans, Romulus vs. Remus, both of them being sons of the god Ares/Mars, the founding of the city Rome...)

As well, fancy that all this el-god-baal stuff is only found in the Semitic Myths and not in the Old Testament.

Dt.6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."
1 Cor.8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him."
Mk.12:32 "There is one God; and there is none other but he."

Even YHVH (through John) said that if you worship an image, you're giving power unto it. So when Baal had 450 priests and almost all of Israel, and the Lord had only 1 prophet who do you think might have had more power at that point?

Rev 13:4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Only according to semitic mythology. YHVH's never said anything about it.

Also, Do you know why we have earthquakes? It's the greek god Hephaestus/Vulcan working underneath Mt. Etna...

 

the caananites and the hebrews, and the Indo-Europeans are not the same people biologically, or geographically. The Romans lived close, after some expansion, but that was the product of migration. I have heard of no Jewish origins in the steppes of the Eurasia, and their subsequent migrations along the Danube.

The greeks and hebrews? yes, the greeks, hebrews, arabs, and egyptians? sure.
But not the Celts, Germans, Romans, or any of the other Indo-European tribes. Thats just obsurd.

But by all of your comparisons to the older religions, you agree that
the Hebrew faith is the product of cultural borrowing and that
your god is not the god he claims to be in his book? Sounds like
you do, sounds like you are saying he was borrowed.

Or is that just you trying to put down others religions to make
your god sound better?

Dont know, but your use of the OT as a historical reference
bores me.

 

HAHAHA I thought it was pretty funny too LOL

 

Ok - I am completely lost. What is this about? The Canaanites lived right next to the Jews.

Other way around. The Canaanites borrowed from the hebrews, just as the Romans borrowed from the greeks. And with just about anything, when you borrow a cultural product from someone else (whether it be a musical instrument, a language, or even a God), it gets changed. The american banjo lost a string when going to Ireland. The Japanese language gained quite a few characters when Japan got interested in China. And, like the romans adding Romulus and Remus into the greek myths, the Canaanites added Ba'al and Asherah to the Hebrew OT.

To make my God sound better? He is sound by himself, I'm just defending his Word.

And somehow canaanite mythology is historical?

 

I didnt say that the caananites and hebrews were different, I
said that the caananites and hebrew, AND the indo-europeans
arent the same. I included the caananites and hebrews together,
hence the placement of the comma.

Besides, the greeks and romans lived RIGHT next to each other
too, and they are completly different stocks of people.

Placement and ethnicity are completly differet.

But anyway, im done with this argument.