Protest against the Japanese

Discussion in 'Protest' started by superlz, Jul 2, 2006.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Have the Japanese invaded since this invasion 59 years ago? No they were busy attacking the US during WWII. So we are to stir up hostilities towards something that happened 59 years ago? China you are now so prosperous deal with it yourselves. Don't ask us to fight your battles, I am sick and tired of sending my children and grandchildren to fight others problems. Work it out or get over it.

    Release the students you arrested in 1989 in Tiananmen Square, and I might have some sympathy for you. But they are probably the best trained Nike employees providing work for pennies, you wouldn't want to lose them now. I had sympathy for China and the multiple invasions by Japan, but know what, when you treat your own people, your college youth like dirt, don't ask me to feel sorry for you.

    What is you want...want us to nuke them, or are you after trade sanctions, because something they produce is more popular than what you are producing. Let's shed some light on your complaint.

    And what about Taiwan and Tibet, I am sure you feel they would both be better under complete Chinese rule? Taiwan prospered long before China has come into economic power, but now you seek to control it. And what of Tibet? How does the Chinese government benefit it?

    Sh*t why not add Japan to the Axis of Evil? I am sure it would benefit someone in the Bush Administration.
     
  2. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    Gardener, theres nothing wrong with noting wrong with pointing out China's human rights problems, but you're perpetually hostile and idiotic.

    He didn't ask for US help fighting Japan in a war. The idea that you'd suggest a thing shows how naive and crazy you are.

    And why we would fight Japan? Japan is the US's largest trading partner.
     
  3. superlz

    superlz Member

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    Well, am I asking you to fight or nuke Japan? If we do want to nuke them, we are able to nuke them by ourselves. We are not stirring up hostilities, but it's Japan that stirred it up by continuously prettifying their invasion. By the way, I'm not representative of the government but only a collage student, so you need not have laid the blame on me about arresting students in 1989.
    As to the chaos in 1989, you have no idel what would have happened to China if the Party had made concession to the people supported by the west, who demanded the Party to go away and China change into Capitalism. If that had happened, China would have broken up into pieces, and that's what the west had wanted.

     
  4. DQ Veg

    DQ Veg JUSTYNA'S TIGER

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    You know, it is true that the Japanese government tends to downplay the atrocities that its country committed in WWII in textbooks, etc. It is also true that the Japanese population in general understands the mistakes its country made in the past, and is against the country re-militarizing to any great degree. Japan has certainly not engaged in any miltary adventures since the end of WWII, 61 years ago. Since the end of WWII, China vigorously supported the North Korean dictator Kim Il Sung with overwhelming military support, the North Vietnamese communists, and the despot Pol Pot, who almost destroyed Cambodia. China's hands are hardly clean in that region, either.
    I understand how the Chinese feel about their country's invasion by the Japanese. I have some very close relatives that provided an enormous amount of aid to the Chinese to help them fight Japan in WWII. Having said that, I think that the Chinese have an unhealthy obsession with the Japanese, and because of the war that ended 61 years ago have made Japan the country they love to hate. This cannot help but cause more problems down the road. There was a Chinese guy that recently joined hipforums that has as his signature "I hate Japanese". I find this obsession with hating Japan to be destructive and childish. Germany caused an enormous amount of destruction to certain countries in Europe in WWII, with whom it is now the best of friends. There's no reason that China and Japan can't do the same thing.
     
  5. tina zheng

    tina zheng Member

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    It is offen happens that people died in war or revolution, just as the war between the states in America. But what the Japanese did is different. It was genocide.They killed so many civilians whether men or women, children or old,not to mention the uncountable women who were raped and killed by Japenese soldiers. What we need is only a apology , but the Japenese don't admit their crimes.
     
  6. John_Perish

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    joined in this great forum today, happy :)

    "China's hands are hardly clean in that region, either. "
    NK, NV, etc. have you noticed that where there was America, there was also China? why did China follow America's step? it's simple: for the national security. China can hardly benifit anything from the war in NK and NV...other than getting America's hands off China's board.

    "I have some very close relatives that provided an enormous amount of aid to the Chinese to help them fight Japan in WWII. "
    yea, we are and will still be grateful to the help of America during WWII.

    "I find this obsession with hating Japan to be destructive and childish. "
    i gotta admit some of us are impulsive and sometimes irrational. i disagree with them, though i understand them.

    " Germany caused an enormous amount of destruction to certain countries in Europe in WWII, with whom it is now the best of friends. There's no reason that China and Japan can't do the same thing.[/"
    i'm glad you mentioned Germany. if Japan were Germany, there wouldn't be the issue we are talking about. why don't the Chinese people forgive the Japanese? do we really enjoy living in hatred? are we insane? no no no!!! there ARE reasons that China and Japan can't do the same.

     
  7. superlz

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    In my country people often take Germany as example too, but in different dimension. We hold that Germany's success in reforming and improving its relationship with its victims in World War 2 is that they have always been accepting the crimes it had committed and making sincere apology to those countries. But the Japanese never did. In opposite they have long been glorifying its invasion as that they were helping China. That's sure a big insult to our Chinese. Please imagine what would happen if Germany did the same thing as Japan to its victime countries.



     
  8. Leopold Plumtree

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    America exports oil to Japan for a good profit, so we won't be protestin' 'em very much. :)
     
  9. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    The Japanese occupation of China was without a doubt genocide. Genocide is the worst crime aginst humanity and China is still feeling after effects of Japans invasion.

    But Japan has appologized for it's imperialism and conquest. A few times on the anniversary of the end of world war 2.

    Some of the Asian nations feel that japans appology wasn't heart felt, and that may be true, but politicians always play politics, even during appologies.

    Leaders of nations always breeze over attorocities they've commitied. When I was in high school there was about half a chapter devoted to American natives, and maybe a page devoted to the slave trade.

    Japan doesn't say much about it's wolrd war 2 attrocities. China doesn't say much about the great leap forward.

    Look at it this way, the leaders of nations are mostly concerned about keeping themselves in power. That doesn't mean you should hold a grudge aginst Japanese citizens.

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  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Maybe Nike would be paying a living wage to those that make their tennies. What happened to that boy that stood in front of the tank? Your youth, your college students stood up for democracy, but we are supposed to forget that!

    I watched your government fire on unarmed students. I will never forget that. Perhaps when I and those that also watched what you did are dead you can sell your venom to the American public, but I hope our youth will be educated to the extent that they will not buy into it.

    Japan and China have a long history of conflict. Why should we be brought into it right now, because Israel has brought us into the middle eastern conflicts, so we should stretch our military even farther to meet the needs of international companies that want protection?

    You know what's sad is if you google that college kid and the tank now you can hardly find a picture of him. It's not marketable any longer. No one remembers. I do!

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    For you Israelis I will always remember Rachel!

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    Don't ask us to fight your battles, some of us remember! These two individuals gave their lives for "democracy" and human rights!

    I don't give a fuck who our largest trading partner is. I care about protecting human rights. Rachel gave her life to protect the children of Palestine, that chinese boy was looking to make China a democracy, their parade included a a paper mache version of the statue of liberty. But we are supposed to forget him now, and we are supposed to forget Rachel. Israel is bombing because they have one captured soldier, what of the 30 injured people on the beach and the eight dead Palestinians, who calls for accountability there?

    It's time to stand and demand answers.
     
  11. tina zheng

    tina zheng Member

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    We would never ask your Americans to fight for us ,cause what you've done can only make things worse. Look at Iraq, how many civilians died since your American army occupied. Finally you get what you want ,petroleum, but it also cost you a lot ,many americans soldiers died.

     
  12. tina zheng

    tina zheng Member

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    Most of what you said is rather justice. As a chinese, I don't hate Japanese so much, i like their cartoon very much. But some of the Japanese are very hatable. They not only don't admit what they have done 61 years ago,but also are proud of it. they stigmatize my country, discriminate our people. What's more, the Japanese government connive at these behave.
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    The pictures are about a parade happened recently in Japan which is aimed to oppose to china .
    Now in Japan, more and more young people know nothing about what happend in china 61 years ago. But in Germeny, most people know the truth, and their prime minister apologized publicly many times.

     

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